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UPDATED: 04/14/2017

To help you pick reach, target, and safety schools, here are the most recent LSAT and GPA medians available, representing numbers for the law school class of 2019. Seeing the numbers of the most recently admitted class gives you the most accurate idea of where you’ll stand in the admissions game.

Generally, if both your numbers are above the median, consider that school a safety. Both below makes it a reach.

For comparison, I’ve provided the numbers for the previous few years so that you can see whether it’s gotten slightly more competitive or less so at a school from year to year.

Some trends to notice: In most of the very top school’s numbers have either stayed roughly the same as last year or gotten marginally more competitive (slightly higher medians).This may be indicative of a trend whereby top scorers are returning to law school. At these schools, expect the LSAT medians to be about the same or jump by a maximum of one point for the Class of 2020.

Once you get outside the top 20, the trend reverses, and numbers tend to have fallen from last year. Given that the number of people taking the LSAT continues to fall, we expected decreasing medians for most law schools. Given the volume of students taking the LSAT this year, I’d expect to see these numbers stay the same.

Here are the numbers!

LSAT and GPA Medians – Class of 2019


LSAT Medians

Class of 2016 through 2019

Rank School 2019 LSAT 2018 LSAT 2017 LSAT 2016 LSAT
1 Yale University (CT) 173 173 173 173
2 Stanford University (CA) 171 171 172 171
3 Harvard University (MA) 172 173 173 173
4 University of Chicago 170 170 170 170
5 Columbia University (NY) 172 171 172 171
6 New York University 169 169 170 170
7 University of Pennsylvania 169 169 169 169
8 University of Michigan 168 168 168 168
8 University of Virginia 169 168 169 169
10 Duke University (NC) 169 169 169 169
10 Northwestern University (IL) 168 168 168 168
12 University of California–Berkeley 166 166 167 167
13 Cornell University (NY) 167 167 167 167
14 U Texas-Austin 167 167 167 166
15 Georgetown (DC) 167 167 167 168
17 Vanderbilt U (TN) 167 166 167 167
17 UCLA 167 166 167 167
18 Washington U (MO) 168 167 166 166
19 U Southern California 165 166 166 166
20 University of Iowa 161 161 160 161
20 U Notre Dame (IN) 164 164 163 163
22 Emory U (GA) 165 165 165 165
23 Boston University 164 163 163 165
23 U Minnesota-Twin Cities 164 164 164 164
25 Arizona State University 161 161 162 162
26 U Alabama 163 163 163 164
26 Boston College 163 162 162 164
28 University of California–Irvine 163 162 164 164
28 Washington & Lee U 160 160 161 164
30 George Washington U 165 165 165 165
30 Indiana U-Bloomington 161 161 161 162
30 Ohio State University (Moritz) 159 159 159 160
30 University of Georgia 162 162 163 163
30 University of Washington 163 164 164 164
30 University of Wisconsin–​Madison 161 161 161 161
36 Fordham University 163 163 163 163
36 University of Colorado 162 161 161 162
36 Wake Forest University 161 161 161 162
39 University of California–​Davis 163 163 162 162
39 University of North Carolina 161 161 161 161
41 William & Mary (VA) 162 163 163 164
41 George Mason University (VA) 162 161 161 161
41 University of Florida 160 157 158 160
44 University of Illinois–​Urbana-​Champaign 160 161 161 160
44 University of Utah (Quinney) 158 158 158 159
46 Brigham Young University (Clark) 162 161 162 161
46 Southern Methodist University 161 161 161 162
48 University of Arizona (Rogers) 161 160 161 160
48 University of Maryland (Carey) 158 157 159 159
48 Florida State University 159 158 159 159
51 Tulane University 158 159 161 160
51 Baylor University 159 160 159 161
53 Temple University (Beasley) 160 160 160 160
54 University of California (Hastings) 159 159 158 159
54 University of Houston 159 159 159 160
54 University of Connecticut 156 156 157 158
57 University of Richmond (Williams) 161 160 160 161
57 University of Nebraska–​Lincoln 156 156 156 155
57 University of Kentucky 154 155 155 157
57 Seton Hall University 156 156 156 157
57 University of Tennessee–​Knoxville 158 158 158 157
62 Case Western Reserve University 159 159 159 159
62 University of Nevada–​Las Vegas 157 158 158 158
62 Rutgers Law (Combined) 155 155
65 Georgia State University 158 158 158 159
65 Loyola Marymount University (CA) 159 159 159 159
65 University of Kansas 156 156 158 156
65 University of Missouri 158 157 157 157
65 Cardozo (Yeshiva) 159 159 159 160
65 Northeastern University 161 161 161 161
65 Penn. State Carlisle (Dickinson) 159 159 158 158
72 University of Cincinnati 155 155 155 158
72 University of Oklahoma 157 157 157 157
72 Pepperdine University 159 159 160 160
72 St. John’s University 158 158 157 156
76 University of Denver (Sturm) 157 157 156 158
77 University of Miami 157 157 157 157
77 University of New Mexico 153 154 153 154
77 University of San Diego 158 159 159 159
77 Villanova University 157 156 157 157
77 University of Arkansas–​Fayetteville 154 154 154 154
82 Loyola University Chicago 157 158 157 158
82 University of Pittsburgh 156 156 157 158
82 Penn. State University Park 158 158
82 University of Tulsa 155 154 154 155
86 American University (Washington) 156 155 156 157
86 University of Oregon 157 157 157 158
88 St. Louis University 154 155 155 155
88 University of South Carolina 154 154 155 155
88 Brooklyn Law School 156 155 156 159
88 Indiana University–​Indianapolis 153 152 152 154
92 IIT – Chicago Kent 156 156 157 155
92 Syracuse University 154 154 155 155
92 University of Louisville (Brandeis) 153 154 153 158
92 Texas A&M 157 156 154 152
96 Louisiana State University 154 155 155 156
96 West Virginia University 153 153 154
96 Michigan State University 154 154 155 157
96 Stetson 154 154 155 155
100 University of New Hampshire 157 157 155 157
100 Lewis & Clark (OR) 157 158 158 158
100 University of Hawaii (Richardson) 152 154 156 157
100 Wayne State 157 157 156 157
100 Florida International University 156 156 156 156
100 Marquette University 153 152 152 155
106 SUNY Buffalo Law School 154 154 154 154
106 Catholic Univ. of America (Columbus) 154 153 155
106 Drake (IA) 153 151 152 153
109 University of Mississippi 155 155 155 155
109 University of Idaho 152 152 151 152
109 Albany (NY) 152 151 151 152
112 Drexel University (Mack) 154 155 154 155
112 New York Law School 152 152 151 151
112 University of Baltimore 152 152 152 152
112 University of Missouri—Kansas City 152 152 152 152
112 University of Wyoming 153 151 153 151
112 Gonzaga (WA) 153 153 153 154
118 Hofstra 151 153 152 154
118 Texas Tech 153 154 154 155
120 Creighton 152 152 152 152
120 Howard University 150 150 151 151
120 DePaul 152 152 153 154
120 Seattle U 154 154 154 156
120 St. Thomas (MN) 153 154 154 155
120 University of Montana 154 153 154 154
120 Pace University 151 150 151 151
127 Cleveland State 153 153 153 153
127 Washburn University 152 152 151 153
127 Duquesne (PA) 152 152 152 152
127 CUNY 151 152 154 154
127 Quinnipiac 152 152 153 154
132 Santa Clara University 154 155 157 157
132 Toledo 152 151 151 152
134 Mercer 152 152 152 152
134 Vermont Law School 150 151 152 151
134 Chapman University 155 156 156 158
134 Akron 152 152 153 153
134 Arkansas – Little Rock 151 150 150 154
139 University of Maine 152 152 153 155
140 Hamline University 152 151 153
140 William Mitchell (MN) 150 152 152 153
140 Memphis 151 152 153 153
140 Suffolk University 150 150 146 149
142 Willamette University 151 153 151 151
142 Loyola University New Orleans 148 151 153 151
142 South Dakota 148 147 148 147
142 University of North Dakota 149 148 150 148
144 Campbell University 153 152 152 152
144 Oklahoma City 147 148 148 149
144 University of the Pacific (McGeorge) 152 151 151 154
147 Samford (Cumberland) 152 151 151 150
148 Northern Illinois University 148 148 150 150
148 Widener (Commonwealth PA) 148 148 148 148
151 San Francisco 151 152 153 153
151 Ohio Northern 148 149 150 150
151 Dayton 149 148 148 148
151 South Texas 151 150 151 151
151 Southern Illinois Univ.–​Carbondale 148 149 147 150
151 St. Mary’s University 149 151 150 151
151 La Verne 147 147 147 147
151 Appalachian 143 146 144 145
151 Liberty 152 153 151 151
151 UMass Dartmouth 148 148 147 148
151 Belmont University 155 154 155 155
151 University of D.C. 147 148 148 149
151 Western State College of Law 147 148 149 150
151 Faulkner 145 145 145 146
151 Regent University 152 152 152 153
151 Elon University 148 147 148 150
151 Roger Williams 148 148 148 149
151 Ave Maria 147 148 143 146
151 Western New England 148 147 146 149
151 Golden Gate 149 148 149 150
151 Northern Kentucky 148 149 150 152
151 Charleston School of Law 145 146 148 150
151 Mississippi College 146 146 147 149
151 Capital University 148 149 148 148
151 Detroit Mercy 151 151 152 151
151 Texas Southern 145 143 145 144
151 Valparaiso University 147 145 145 143
151 Inter-American – Puerto Rico 137 138 138 138
151 Whittier 146 148 146 146
151 Southern University 143 143 144 145
151 Atlanta’s John Marshall 148 147 148 149
151 New England 150 147 150 149
151 Widener (DE) 148 149 149 150
151 Barry University 148 146 146 147
151 North Carolina Central 144 145 144 145
151 California Western 149 150 150 151
151 St. Thomas (FL) 147 147 148 147
151 Arizona Summit 143 143 144 144
151 Nova Southeastern 149 149 148 149
151 Thomas Jefferson 143 144 145 146
151 Southwestern 152 152 151 152
151 John Marshall (IL) 148 147 149 149
151 Florida Coastal 144 144 143 144

GPA Medians

Class of 2016 through 2019

Rank School 2019 GPA 2018 GPA 2017 GPA 2016 GPA
1 Yale University (CT) 3.89 3.93 3.91 3.9
2 Stanford University (CA) 3.87 3.89 3.9 3.87
3 Harvard University (MA) 3.86 3.86 3.87 3.88
4 University of Chicago 3.9 3.9 3.9 3.9
5 Columbia University (NY) 3.7 3.7 3.71 3.7
6 New York University 3.81 3.78 3.75 3.72
7 University of Pennsylvania 3.9 3.89 3.89 3.89
8 University of Michigan 3.78 3.76 3.74 3.71
8 University of Virginia 3.86 3.86 3.85 3.87
10 Duke University (NC) 3.76 3.76 3.77 3.77
10 Northwestern University (IL) 3.81 3.77 3.75 3.75
12 University of California–Berkeley 3.79 3.78 3.79 3.78
13 Cornell University (NY) 3.73 3.74 3.68 3.66
14 U Texas-Austin 3.7 3.73 3.68 3.68
15 Georgetown (DC) 3.77 3.76 3.75 3.74
17 Vanderbilt U (TN) 3.7 3.74 3.7 3.74
17 UCLA 3.74 3.74 3.79 3.79
18 Washington U (MO) 3.67 3.67 3.62 3.69
19 U Southern California 3.76 3.76 3.76 3.7
20 University of Iowa 3.61 3.61 3.64 3.59
20 U Notre Dame (IN) 3.71 3.66 3.64 3.6
22 Emory U (GA) 3.78 3.77 3.75 3.75
23 Boston University 3.68 3.67 3.66 3.67
23 U Minnesota-Twin Cities 3.76 3.79 3.77 3.79
25 Arizona State University 3.64 3.63 3.61 3.54
26 U Alabama 3.82 3.76 3.77 3.86
26 Boston College 3.5 3.56 3.52 3.61
28 University of California–Irvine 3.54 3.56 3.53 3.52
28 Washington & Lee U 3.47 3.41 3.37 3.51
30 George Washington U 3.71 3.71 3.71 3.71
30 Indiana U-Bloomington 3.71 3.76 3.72 3.8
30 Ohio State University (Moritz) 3.61 3.61 3.6 3.65
30 University of Georgia 3.73 3.71 3.7 3.69
30 University of Washington 3.68 3.65 3.67 3.64
30 University of Wisconsin–​Madison 3.58 3.54 3.62 3.58
36 Fordham University 3.53 3.53 3.54 3.52
36 University of Colorado 3.69 3.6 3.62 3.58
36 Wake Forest University 3.58 3.6 3.58 3.57
39 University of California–​Davis 3.52 3.51 3.6 3.55
39 University of North Carolina 3.51 3.49 3.48 3.5
41 William & Mary (VA) 3.75 3.69 3.79 3.73
41 George Mason University (VA) 3.66 3.59 3.6 3.55
41 University of Florida 3.6 3.5 3.5 3.55
44 University of Illinois–​Urbana-​Champaign 3.59 3.51 3.43 3.56
44 University of Utah (Quinney) 3.5 3.57 3.58 3.51
46 Brigham Young University (Clark) 3.8 3.77 3.77 3.77
46 Southern Methodist University 3.67 3.63 3.58 3.63
48 University of Arizona (Rogers) 3.57 3.51 3.57 3.57
48 University of Maryland (Carey) 3.47 3.46 3.5 3.53
48 Florida State University 3.52 3.52 3.43 3.51
51 Tulane University 3.46 3.42 3.41 3.39
51 Baylor University 3.55 3.53 3.54 3.55
53 Temple University (Beasley) 3.49 3.5 3.49 3.4
54 University of California (Hastings) 3.45 3.5 3.44 3.52
54 University of Houston 3.53 3.54 3.47 3.42
54 University of Connecticut 3.31 3.34 3.44 3.46
57 University of Richmond (Williams) 3.55 3.51 3.5 3.5
57 University of Nebraska–​Lincoln 3.69 3.65 3.67 3.61
57 University of Kentucky 3.49 3.42 3.49 3.49
57 Seton Hall University 3.4 3.42 3.48 3.52
57 University of Tennessee–​Knoxville 3.59 3.64 3.64 3.54
62 Case Western Reserve University 3.48 3.44 3.44 3.38
62 University of Nevada–​Las Vegas 3.52 3.32 3.41 3.45
62 Rutgers Law (Combined) 3.4 3.28
65 Georgia State University 3.41 3.4 3.4 3.38
65 Loyola Marymount University (CA) 3.52 3.51 3.47 3.47
65 University of Kansas 3.44 3.42 3.47 3.42
65 University of Missouri 3.48 3.41 3.46 3.45
65 Cardozo (Yeshiva) 3.44 3.42 3.47 3.45
65 Northeastern University 3.55 3.55 3.53 3.53
65 Penn. State Carlisle (Dickinson) 3.48 3.46 3.58 3.58
72 University of Cincinnati 3.47 3.59 3.45 3.5
72 University of Oklahoma 3.52 3.56 3.52 3.48
72 Pepperdine University 3.6 3.6 3.59 3.59
72 St. John’s University 3.54 3.54 3.45 3.39
76 University of Denver (Sturm) 3.39 3.43 3.4 3.43
77 University of Miami 3.36 3.36 3.42 3.38
77 University of New Mexico 3.47 3.47 3.43 3.42
77 University of San Diego 3.51 3.52 3.5 3.5
77 Villanova University 3.54 3.57 3.55 3.56
77 University of Arkansas–​Fayetteville 3.47 3.37 3.43 3.5
82 Loyola University Chicago 3.3 3.34 3.3 3.4
82 University of Pittsburgh 3.42 3.36 3.46 3.42
82 Penn. State University Park 3.47 3.58
82 University of Tulsa 3.4 3.31 3.45 3.43
86 American University (Washington) 3.41 3.29 3.37 3.4
86 University of Oregon 3.4 3.48 3.33 3.36
88 St. Louis University 3.4 3.44 3.46 3.41
88 University of South Carolina 3.47 3.3 3.23 3.27
88 Brooklyn Law School 3.31 3.36 3.31 3.4
88 Indiana University–​Indianapolis 3.41 3.34 3.32 3.45
92 IIT – Chicago Kent 3.39 3.36 3.43 3.31
92 Syracuse University 3.35 3.33 3.37 3.29
92 University of Louisville (Brandeis) 3.29 3.39 3.41 3.43
92 Texas A&M 3.41 3.38 3.21 3.14
96 Louisiana State University 3.38 3.48 3.23 3.43
96 West Virginia University 3.33 3.35 3.43
96 Michigan State University 3.51 3.46 3.54 3.52
96 Stetson 3.35 3.27 3.25 3.4
100 University of New Hampshire 3.44 3.46 3.44 3.39
100 Lewis & Clark (OR) 3.34 3.32 3.34 3.46
100 University of Hawaii (Richardson) 3.27 3.27 3.39 3.32
100 Wayne State 3.44 3.42 3.29 3.43
100 Florida International University 3.64 3.63 3.58 3.58
100 Marquette University 3.35 3.19 3.33 3.29
106 SUNY Buffalo Law School 3.42 3.44 3.43 3.48
106 Catholic Univ. of America (Columbus) 3.26 3.28 3.16
106 Drake (IA) 3.33 3.27 3.25 3.23
109 University of Mississippi 3.45 3.41 3.47 3.46
109 University of Idaho 3.23 3.18 3.15 3.25
109 Albany (NY) 3.34 3.23 3.22 3.37
112 Drexel University (Mack) 3.3 3.31 3.28 3.35
112 New York Law School 3.31 3.24 3.2 3.17
112 University of Baltimore 3.17 3.29 3.26 3.23
112 University of Missouri—Kansas City 3.39 3.27 3.21 3.25
112 University of Wyoming 3.43 3.22 3.36 3.35
112 Gonzaga (WA) 3.24 3.25 3.25 3.26
118 Hofstra 3.4 3.39 3.35 3.14
118 Texas Tech 3.28 3.39 3.45 3.47
120 Creighton 3.26 3.25 3.31 3.23
120 Howard University 3.22 3.28 3.18 3.13
120 DePaul 3.14 3.34 3.32 3.5
120 Seattle U 3.35 3.24 3.29 3.37
120 St. Thomas (MN) 3.35 3.48 3.41 3.38
120 University of Montana 3.31 3.38 3.38 3.32
120 Pace University 3.3 3.22 3.28 3.21
127 Cleveland State 3.29 3.4 3.27 3.32
127 Washburn University 3.28 3.28 3.28 3.3
127 Duquesne (PA) 3.38 3.45 3.44 3.42
127 CUNY 3.23 3.32 3.33 3.37
127 Quinnipiac 3.4 3.42 3.35 3.33
132 Santa Clara University 3.17 3.23 3.3 3.21
132 Toledo 3.39 3.27 3.33 3.33
134 Mercer 3.25 3.32 3.29 3.38
134 Vermont Law School 3.16 3.21 3.19 3.22
134 Chapman University 3.24 3.33 3.41 3.27
134 Akron 3.33 3.25 3.41 3.38
134 Arkansas – Little Rock 3.31 3.25 3.24
139 University of Maine 3.24 3.37 3.38 3.36
140 Hamline University 3.25 3.27 3.32
140 William Mitchell (MN) 3.2 3.25 3.25 3.36
140 Memphis 3.24 3.2 3.27 3.25
140 Suffolk University 3.27 3.23 3.2 3.27
142 Willamette University 3.18 3.15 3.23 3.08
142 Loyola University New Orleans 3.15 3.15 3.15 3.15
142 South Dakota 3.37 3.36 3.1 3.15
142 University of North Dakota 3.21 3.2 3.28 3.26
144 Campbell University 3.31 3.24 3.17 3.26
144 Oklahoma City 3.05 3.13 3.19 3.18
144 University of the Pacific (McGeorge) 3.2 3.15 3.14 3.24
147 Samford (Cumberland) 3.31 3.23 3.2 3.25
148 Northern Illinois University 3.03 3.05 3.09 3.1
148 Widener (Commonwealth PA) 3.13 3.16 3.05 3.1
151 San Francisco 3.1 3.13 3.19 3.27
151 Ohio Northern 3.3 3.22 3.28 3.22
151 Dayton 3.14 3.04 3.15 3.11
151 South Texas 3.1 3.1 3.12 3.15
151 Southern Illinois Univ.–​Carbondale 2.91 2.96 3.09 3.1
151 St. Mary’s University 3.07 3.03 3.02 2.96
151 La Verne 2.95 2.9 2.88 2.83
151 Appalachian 2.79 3.17 2.9
151 Liberty 3.43 3.45 3.24 3.22
151 UMass Dartmouth 3.12 2.97 2.97 3.03
151 Belmont University 3.42 3.41 3.43 3.42
151 University of D.C. 2.99 2.98 2.99 3.07
151 Western State College of Law 3.03 3.07 3.09 3.12
151 Faulkner 2.92 2.96 2.98 3.14
151 Regent University 3.36 3.29 3.23 3.37
151 Elon University 3.24 3.13 3.03 3.01
151 Roger Williams 3.13 3.13 3.15 3.2
151 Ave Maria 3.08 3 3.06 3.15
151 Western New England 3.13 3.1 3.13 3.2
151 Golden Gate 2.98 2.94 2.98 3.11
151 Northern Kentucky 3.19 3.19 3.09 3.2
151 Charleston School of Law 3.01 2.89 2.99 3.17
151 Mississippi College 3.08 2.98 3.11 3.3
151 Capital University 3.17 3.17 3.15 3.14
151 Detroit Mercy 3.2 3.11 3.13 3.13
151 Texas Southern 3.06 3.11 3.02 3.08
151 Valparaiso University 3.02 2.93 3.1 3
151 Inter-American – Puerto Rico 3.3 3.21 3.22 3.17
151 Whittier 2.85 2.85 2.9 2.9
151 Southern University 2.86 2.79 2.82 2.82
151 Atlanta’s John Marshall 3.05 3.04 2.91 2.98
151 New England 3.2 3.14 3.14 3.04
151 Widener (DE) 3.08 3.09 3.08 3.16
151 Barry University 3 2.96 2.99 2.89
151 North Carolina Central 3.31 3.24 3.24 3.17
151 California Western 3.18 3.15 3.14 3.13
151 St. Thomas (FL) 3.06 3.06 3.04 3.06
151 Arizona Summit 2.96 2.88 2.94 2.88
151 Nova Southeastern 3.1 3.11 3.14 3.07
151 Thomas Jefferson 2.89 2.74 2.84 2.86
151 Southwestern 3.18 3.17 3.2 3.17
151 John Marshall (IL) 3.05 3.08 3.05 3.12
151 Florida Coastal 2.87 2.88 2.93 2.97

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42 Comments

  1. I am interested in attending the University of Tennessee’s law school as an in-state student. I am confident that I will get in, but I want your thoughts on the amount of scholarship money you think I will receive.

    My GPA is a 3.5 and I got a 161 on the LSAT.

    Thanks!

  2. Hey Evan and Josh,

    I am a junior at WashU and I just got my LSAT score back. I’ll have a 3.8 GPA and with this score, a 169 LSAT, when I apply to law school. I would like to go to a top ten law school. Is it worth it to retake the LSAT? I of course have a lot of time and my practice test average was higher than 169 (it was a 172 with the occasional 178’s).

  3. I have a question for you guys. I’m on the fence about retaking after getting a 166 for the second test in a row after averaging 173/174 on Preptests 36-72 ( they were proctored 5 section preptests with an analog watch and scantron). A part of me wants to retake, but at the same time, I’m kind of worried that I might be a choke artist when it comes to the real test. Is it worth a shot at a retake? Do I have a reasonable shot at Cornell, Georgetown, and UT with my LSAT 1 point below median and my GPA slightly above?

  4. 30 y/o going back to school after 5 years.
    3.2 GPA (brought up from a 0.7! in my freshman year) and a 151 LSAT (no studying)
    Hoping for Cumberland School of Law (at Samford U) since it’s the closest ABA school

    • Kitty I am returning to school after 15 years. My UGA is as yours. Have you applied and received notification from a law school?

      I wish you all the best!

    • Jeffery,

      Absolutely! A lifetime membership means just that: once you’re in, you’re in for life! We’ve got your back from the day you join & where here for you as long as you need us.

  5. 3.7 GPA (with a few A+s, which I believe LSAC factors in) and I still have 2 more undergraduate semesters that will factor into my GPA in time for law school applications (so I’m hopeful that I can get it up to a 3.75). I will be taking the LSAT in February. Do I have a chance at NYU or Columbia with a good LSAT score, even though my GPA is a little below the median? If so, what score should I aim for?
    Also I’m sure this has been asked before, but law schools give no consideration whatsoever to your undergraduate major when looking at your GPA, correct? (As someone who has taken lots of math, this is somewhat frustrating..)

    • Turner Johnston on

      Schools care more about the LSAT than GPA. Also, equal GPAs from different schools carry different weight. They consider that. A GPA from Texas Tech is valued less that an equal GPA from Georgetown. You will need a very high LSAT score to get into those schools. Probably upper 160s-lower 170s. And yes, they do care about your major. A 3.75 in psychology is much easier than a 3.75 in engineering. They typically value stem degrees or business degrees (anything technical) more because they get saturated with History, PoliSci, English, etc.

      • They don’t actually. Turner, you’ve been giving awful advice. GPA’s are all roughly valued the same, since schools only care about the GPA median they report to US News.

  6. Just scored a 151 on October LSAT (it was a fun birthday surprise from my mom- what fun, right?) with no studying whatsoever.

    Just found out she signed me up for December LSAT as well.

    Missed only 2 on reading comp, missed an equal number spread across the rest of the test. What would you suggest to be the thing to study to get the biggest score boost within the next month?

  7. To Josh and Evan,

    I have a 3.62 LSAC GPA and a recent Sept. LSAT score of 161. I am taking the test again in December (about 5 weeks from now). Assuming I get either the same score or anywhere from 1-2 points higher (i like to put harsher predictions on myself) what do you think my chances are are Boston College, Fordham, and Notre Dame?
    ***If this counts for anything, my applications will most likely be done and sent in by the first week of january.
    Thank for all your help!

  8. I will be applying for law school having already obtained a masters degree. Will the admissions consider my undergraduate GPA only? Will having a high graduate GPA outweigh a low undergraduate GPA?

    • Rebecca, Ann, we are in the same boat. My UGPA is not strong. But with my masters I graduated Summa Cum Laude. I hear we are not awarded for our strong post graduate work. However each law school has the right to take as much as they like into consideration.

      This rule of keeping the doors of law school locked because of a low to moderate UGPA is simply ridiculous. Even God forgives bad decisions and behaviors!!!

      I wonder if most law schools with declining applications, and graduates, would reconsider accepting one with a good LSAT but not so good UGPA? Most have so much to prove, failure is not an option.

      Don’t know about you but I surely am not the little girl I was in college!!!

      Let me know if you two get accepted, I’ll do the same!

  9. Hello!

    I just finished reading your 5 harsh truths and I want to thank you for writing it!
    I must admit that I am guilty of not prepping hard enough despite taking 2 kaplan courses, I know… I feel terribly disappointed with myself but its no use getting worked up about the past.
    Im about to take the December LSAT and I know I won’t score anything higher than a 150.
    With that said, I am planning on finishing up my applications by January and not submitting them because I am planning on retaking it. I leave on a 4 month backpacking trip to south america in February and hopefully by the time I come back in June I will be able to make myself study the appropiate and intensive amount of time. This time I won’t use Kaplan, but I will self prep using the powerscore books. If anything what I learned from taking 2 prep Kaplan courses was that all I need are numerous practice questions and their explanations. Id like to know what you think of this plan!

    Thanks so much

    Stephanie

  10. @OnLawSchool I’m interested in UNC Chapel Hill for law My GPA is 3.85. I am out of state. What LSAT score do I need to get in? Is it easier to get in in state oout of state? They said they give more offers out of state because they yield less due to higher OOS tuition but I can’t find a number for how many are offered OOS. Should I try to become a resident to increase odds of getting in? Thanks!

    • Turner Johnston on

      Probably in the mid-upper 160s. Schools place the highest value on the LSAT when evaluating an applicant. Also depends on your undergrad school. A 3.85 from Texas Tech is easier to get than a 3.85 from Georgetown. Interesting about out-of-state applicants. I know schools are always looking to up their prestige, and people traveling from other states always looks good. The money thing too…In the end, I think they are mostly looking for the numbers (lsat gpa).

      • Turner is wrong, schools don’t care about where you went to undergrad or what your major is. All schools care about is your final LSAC GPA, since that is what they have to report to US News for the yearly rankings. Stop giving bad advice, man.

      • Turner Johnston on

        I completely disagree with you Dennis. They give deference to undergrads from higher ranked schools. I’ve spoken with former admissions panelists about this from my school.

  11. I have a 3.5 Criminal Justice undergrad GPA w/ legal certifications, and am currently working in a law office as a legal assistant.
    I took the LSAT practice cold and got a 150. I plan to take the real one in June and apply to schools in September. (UT & UVA are my 1st and 2nd choices)
    I’m pretty confident that I can boost my score with studying, I’ve bought some powerscore books to help, which they have.
    What do you think is the most a person can “up” their score, with the cold score in mind?

    Thanks !

    • Turner Johnston on

      Probably not too much unless you really get down how to map ou the logic problems and learn good notation. I had a 155 cold. I checked out a LSAT prep book from the library, studied for 2 weeks, watched youtube videos on how to solve logic puzzles, went back and got a 155 again. For me (as with most) it’s the speed thing. If given more time, I could nail it, but that’s the point. Law school exams give you about 2 min per question and they usually have anywhere between a paragraph and a page of facts to sort through. Hopefully your story works out better than mine. Best of luck to you. With your numbers you could get into a lower-ranked school, work hard and get into the top 10%, then transfer to a better school.

      • To be fair, 2 weeks is hardly enough time to gauge any progress and you should count yourself lucky that your score didn’t drop – the general trend is that in the second PT, the score drops before it starts climbing up again from PT 4 – 5 onwards- I prepped for a year and a half and raised my score 15 points to a 167 (and that too when I left one portion of the test completely unanswered as I ran out of time)

      • And with prep a 10 – 15 point score increase is common… that changes the range of schools to which you can apply… in my first attempt I had a 163 and was in at BU, BC and UCI, but with a 167 I made it to the T14s.

      • Turner Johnston on

        I’ve heard prep courses can raise your score up to 10pts, but that’s never been the story for people I know who have taken one cold, then followed-up after taking a prep course. Congratulations on your results and getting to T-14! That’s awesome your saw your goal through. I only prepped for 2 weeks because I was wavering on whether I really wanted to do it or not. I contemplated teaching, or history grad program. I did end up finishing top 10℅ during 1L (at a low ranked school) and transferred to a tier 1.

        Wonder how that guy ended up doing.

    • I studied with a friend, using two prep books he had purchased. The area that made the biggest difference for me was learning how to create diagrams for puzzles. I went from crappy guessing to nailing them, and also got much faster at working through them. We studied (and later, took practice tests) for probably 2-4 hours a week for a few months. Went from 163 cold score to 170 on the test (although I got a 172 years earlier as an undergrad – parenting has made me dumber).

      I think a 10 point improvement starting from a 150 cold score is completely realistic if you put in the time, and it’s worth definitely worth it.

  12. I have an ugpa of 2.97, unfortunately I couldn’t recover completely from a stressful freshman semester due to a family member passing away. I’ve been consistently getting B’s or better since that semester (my major GPA is 3.4). I don’t have any great internships as of yet, but I am working on getting one. I scored 174 on my LSAT. Do I have a realistic chance of getting into a top 5, 10, 15, or 20 law school?

    • Turner Johnston on

      I had a friend who had a 2.65 gpa coupled with a 171 on the LSAT and got into UT-Austin (Usually a top 15 school).

      If you don’t get in where you want, you could go to a lower ranked school, get in the top 10%, and transfer to a higher ranked school after 1L.

      Maybe include something in your personal statement about what happened that year.

      Good luck!!

    • Take a year or so off and build up your resume. That LSAT and developed resume, coupled with a noticeable upward trend in grades will surely enable you to get into several of the bottom half of the t-14, if not better.

      I got into 6 of the T-14 with a 3.2 undergrad undergrad GPA, 168 LSAT, and solid LoR’s via internship/working experiences.

  13. Hello,
    I once saw an article about how interning at a law firm as an undergraduate student was not a good idea. Would interning at a law firm as an undergrad help me or hurt my law school application?
    Thanks in advance!

  14. People, why do you want to go to law school? I’ve been a lawyer nearly 19 years. I wish just about every day that I had never gone to law school. I’m working myself to death. The work is so stressful. You’re never done. There is always so much that needs to be done. I haven’t been on a vacation in years. The money is nowhere near as good as I thought it would be. There are so many easier ways to make a living. I have child support to pay, bills to pay. I can’t just quit but I would in a heartbeat if something better came along. God I hate it. I have a jury trial next week and my young co-counsel just took a non law job. I envy the guy, don’t blame him at all.

    If you haven’t worked for lawyers, consider doing that if you can find any who can afford to pay anyone right now. I work for someone else and didn’t get paid on Friday. It isn’t the first time that’s happened. I get a salary plus a percentage of what I bring in paid in bonuses, theoretically. None of the lawyers in any of our offices have gotten their bonuses in I think ten months. We’re lucky to get our salary checks. Why don’t we quit? There are no jobs and we have to have something to pay our bills.

    Things are probably worse in my area than many. We have offices in Oklahoma and Arkansas. Our area has not recovered from the recession and low oil and gas prices are killing us. I just checked the Bureau of Labor Statistics wage data and the median income for attorneys in my metro area has dropped to just a hair over $50,000. The mean is only $62,850. The mean or average is skewed upwards by a small handful who still do pretty well, but has dropped by tens of thousands over the last few years so nobody is doing that well. Half the attorneys here are making $50k a year or less, and the number of attorneys is of course dropping with people moving away and many just finding something else to do. There are so many out of work attorneys, and that is everywhere. Here old law firms have broken up and highly experienced attorneys are out there competing for entry level law jobs just to have something to pay their bills. I’m always hearing about some attorney filing bankruptcy. My Registered Nurse wife with an associates degree is presently making more money than me, not that she doesn’t work hard for it but I did spend five more years in school, get a 172 on my LSAT, made good grades, have worked my rear end off. I thought I’d be making hundreds of thousands a year by this point in my career. But I’m working for an employer who owes me thousands and thousands of dollars who will probably file bankruptcy soon and name me as a creditor. I don’t know if I will have a job tomorrow.

    Things are only going to get worse. Every year tens of thousands more will become lawyers and there aren’t nearly enough jobs for them. Lawyers will make less and less money fighting over what little scraps there are out there to make. Big companies will send more and more of their work overseas and some guy in Mumbai will review their contracts and do all their drafting. Judges will increasingly appoint public defenders in criminal cases to keep the cases moving so there are precious few left for private attorneys and public defenders everywhere will have New Orleans sized pd caseloads. The rich keep getting richer and the poor keep getting poorer anyway so the common man is less likely to be be able to afford lawyers. Lawyers are a dime a dozen so if they want work they have to be willing to work for less and less even when those paying the bills have money.

    I hate to sound all negative, but this story popped up on my Facebook feed and I started seeing all these comments and I have to wonder if any of you have any idea what you are trying to get yourselves into. Most of you will never make any money in this profession. You will struggle to survive. You will barely see your families because you have to work so much. Your spouses will resent you for working so much but making so little. Your lives will be so hard. Don’t do it unless it’s just a strong dream you cannot deny yourself and you don’t care if you make any money or not.

  15. If I surpass the median LSAT scores.. but my undergrad GPA does not meet even the 25th percentile.. Do I even have a chance of going to my dream school at Ohio State?? I’m hoping to score a 165+…

  16. mariam.j.sheikh on

    When you say these are the stats for class of 2017, does that mean they’ve already admitted students for the coming Fall? Aren’t admissions still ongoing?

  17. I can’t see this list even though I am a member and logged in. Anyone else experiencing this glitch? Any alternative way to receive this list of median GPAs and LSAT scores?

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