September 2016 LSAT Discussion

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UPDATE: We’ve confirmed that the following sections were REAL

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REAL LOGIC GAMES

  1. Park Rangers
  2. Teaching Assistants
  3. Neighborhood Deliveries
  4. Computer Viruses

REAL READING COMPREHENSION PASSAGES

  1. Muscle Memory
  2. Contract Violation of Select Performances
  3. Native American/Clearing Forests/Woodlands
  4. Architect/Eileen Gray/Lacquer

REAL LOGICAL REASONING QUESTIONS

  • Caterpillars/fruit
  • political demagogue
  • City changing signs/waste of money
  • Parents singing to their children
  • (PLEASE HELP US ADD TO THIS LIST BY CONTRIBUTING IN THE COMMENTS BELOW)

You’ve spent countless hours over the past few months pouring over lessons, drilling questions, and taking preptests.

Your friends have stopped texting you because you’ve always got your head in a book.

Your significant other has gone to bed alone while you stayed up to review your last preptest.

Your parents have called you to make sure you’re still alive.

Now you’re even starting to have weird dreams about working through LSAT questions.

As you’ve slowly adjusted to living your life in 35-minute increments, the LSAT has so thoroughly engulfed your mind that you can’t even escape the LSAT while you sleep.

It’s been a long road my friends, but alas, you’ve reached the finish line. Congrats!

As is tradition here at lawschooli.com, here is a post where we can discuss the LSAT that was administered today: Saturday, September 24, 2016.

We’ll update this post to track the September 2016 LSAT as we get more information and you can use the comments section below this post to discuss the score release and anything else related to this test (how it went, do you need to retake, etc.)


Let the discussion begin! – Looking forward to hearing from everyone in the comments below.

A few ground rules:

  • DO feel free to share RC and LG keywords, this will help us figure out what the real sections were.
  • DO celebrate your achievement! You’ve worked hard and you have completed the LSAT!
  • DO NOT post any question specifics like “I got A for #2” or write at more than just a keyword or two about any question, this could get you (and us) in trouble with the LSAC. Saying I had an RC passage about Galileo is ok, saying I had an RC passage about how Galileo was not the first person… is not ok.
  • DO NOT talk about specific game set ups, or how you tried to solve it.
  • Comments that violate these guidelines will be deleted.

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  1. Oh my god… I did not know that the test is different depending on where you take it?!

    I took it in Japan. Had one LG, two LR and two RC.

    And the only LG that I had did not feature a computer virus game… Which I’m certainly very thankful of considering the fact that everyone hates it with passion.

    My last game was about an international meeting of countries X, Y and Z and it was a round table ordering question.

    I also had a game about 5 or 6 people working at different departments, one of which was gardening.

    I had two reading sections and the second one felt extremely rushed so I really wanted to know which one is experimental! But since we apprently have different contents I’m not sure if I can ever figure it out.

    Quick question though: does LSAC release only the official US test as future preptest?

  2. Hey y’all.
    so on various threads I have seen people with the third experimental LR section say they had 26-25-25 and others say 26-25-26 in regards to number of questions. Is it possible for that to happen or are some of these people just mistaken? Like could there be two different variations of the LR experimental section?

  3. I had a question in my first LR section about whether universities have an obligation to fulfill the wishes of people who are big donors to the school. That section was longer than any other LR section I’ve encountered and I thought it was the experimental but now I honestly can’t remember which questions were in that section as opposed to other ones. My section order was LR-RC-LR-LR-LG. For readings I had muscle memory, woman architect, tree clearings in Mesolithic societies, and monetary damages (not in that order). For games I had computer viruses, library in neighborhoods, teaching assistants and park rangers (also not in that order). So those two sections were real for LG and RC. I took the test in New York if that helps, because I know international ones can be different. Did anyone else have the order of LR-RC-LR-LR-LG and have a guess about which LR was experimental? Thanks!

    • I had the same order on the exam (LR-RC-LR-LR-LG). In my opinion, I thought the third LR section was the easiest and one of the first two (I don’t remember now which section) was the hardest. It might have been the first? One of the first two sections seemed abnormally difficult, so I’m hoping whichever that one was is the experimental. I didn’t finish the first LR section by maybe four questions, and that was the section with 27 questions. I don’t remember what questions were in that section either – sorry! This doesn’t help a ton, but I think one of the first two was the experimental – maybe the first. Did anyone else have this sequence and remember the questions?

    • I also had the same order of LR-RC-LR-LR-LG, and I took the test in California. I think I recall that the first section had the principle question about school donors that you are referring. I was hoping the third section was experimental as my brain was fatigued by then and I had a difficult time making sense of some of the questions. Also, I found the first section to be relatively easy other than a couple of questions and I was able to sped through it, so I am hoping it was scored. If section three was experimental wouldn’t it be the experimental section for all test takers, regardless of the subject matter (LR, RC, LG)?

  4. I had 3 LR sections. The sequence of sections were LR,RC,LR,LG,LR. Still not sure which one was the experimental section. However, the second LR seemed to be the most challenging of the 3 and had 27 questions if I remember correctly. Can anyone confirm that the LR(2) was the experiment?

  5. Does anyone remember whether the virus game had 5 or 6 questions? Trying to determine how many misses are likely to make my decision on whether to cancel. My recollection is that it likely had 6 as the first game had 5. Anyone remember?

    Thanks

  6. The computer virus game seemed hard because it was similar to Preptest 72 Game 4. We hadn’t really encountered much more like that yet. I figured it out because I did 72.
    Another thing I noticed in Reading is they very rarely said “In line 52…” and instead it said “(middle of 3rd paragraph)”

  7. if the computer virus LG was so hard for everyone, will that be accounted for in the scoring? meaning a lower amount of questions correct will still get you a good score?

  8. Laura,
    I also took the test in Europe (London, actually), and I had two LG sections. However, my sequence of sections looked like this (RC, LG, LR, LG, LR). My 1st and 2nd LG sections look like it contained the same material as yours. I found the first LG section to be very time-consuming and difficult. The second section seemed much more standard.

  9. I messed up my numbering on the Muscle Memory RC. Luckily, I caught it for the next sections and think I was able to correct it for the muscle memory section, but am unsure. Maybe missed 1-2 Q. Other than that and 2 Q on the Computer Virus LG I feel really solid about my score.

  10. I had the experimental RC section. My test was LR RC LR RC LG

    The last LG game of the transmitted viruses was extremely hard. It took my the very last minute to get an idea of how the set was supposed to look like.

    Anyways some of the LR questions that I can remember that can be added to the list:

    Misunderstanding of the word value
    Alzheimer’s correlation to a certain cell
    Removal of the stop signs and lights and the decrease of accidents paradox
    Principle on democracy and avoiding doing something that affects another country
    Point of issue on doing what’s favorable to a donor
    Chameleon tongues paradox
    Baby chimpanzees or monkeys copying scientists sticking out their tongue but not hand gestures
    Labotory rats being unhealthy neccessary assumption
    Unemployment decrease by either government spending increasing or decreasing necessary assumption
    Parallel of kids breaking windows and assigning responsibility

    Idk how I remember these many, but I hope it helps! And hopefully I’m not breaking any rules providing the questions types.

    I also remember the first LR section that I did had three paradox questions within the first 5 questions

  11. Did anyone have a LR section with a parallel question of which took up the length of the whole page? I’m hoping this section was my experimental, since during this section an instructor walked in and started talking with the main instructor, whispering really loud and at one point his phone even went off.. Screwed up my whole section and eventually I had enough and even told them to SHH.

  12. The computer virus game threw me off big time. It wasnt like anything I have seen before. Had to guess the entire virus game :-/

  13. I think one of my LR sections had one a question on changing something about the water supply and fish in a town. There was another question on hospitals/patient infections. One on Shakespeare and Henry III.

    Side note, did anyone else think the LR sections were fairly easy? I think things just clicked for me and I thought the LR sections were a breeze compared to RC and LG (which is usually my best section -0 ~ -2).

    I had an experimental RC section that had patent law and folk storytelling from what I remember.

    • I agree! The LR sections really clicked for me too. Unfortunately I didn’t finish everything but I got further than usual. I’m pretty satisfied about it though.

      I had the experimental RC section as well. It had something about a civilization in Eygpyt no longer existing. Everything else is a blur.

  14. Anyone else feeling depressed? I ran out of time on RC and had to guess and then only finished 3 out of 4 LG and didn’t feel good about it. I’m guessing I got between 155-158 and those feel like pointless scores. So frustrating and anti-climactic after all the hard work!

    • I feel so horrible about the exam. I really can’t say how I did. LR is always hit or miss with me. Overall, I just feel like it wasn’t worth all the hard work I did to prepare for it.

      • ME TOO. i wanted to cry after the logic games section. I guessed on every single virus game question. it was brutal. I don’t want to cancel because i am praying that there will be a miracle and i did better than i expected

        • I’m in the exact same boat. LG absolutely destroyed me…I guessed on all the Computer Virus questions and can’t even remember how I did on the other games. I worked my butt off all summer and feel like I did at least -3 less than my average PT score

  15. Do all students receive the respective passages in the same order? If I had a comparative passage first was it likely experimental?

  16. I took the test today in Europe. My comparative RC section involved monopolies. Is that mentioned in your real RC passages? Perhaps it is under a label I do not recognize. Also, I thought one of the LC sections was extremely difficult.

    • I took it in Europe as well and my comparative passage was the same. I’m quite sure that the test in the US wasn’t the same, so they wouldn’t have had the passages we had. Did you also happen to have an experimental LG section? I’m trying to confirm which of mine was real.

    • I consistently got 100% during prep in lg. Then that virus game comes along and now I can’t depend on a perfect score in the lg section. I think it threw a lot of people off!

    • SAME! I was extremely frustrated because LG is normally the easiest for me. I’m convinced at least one of those questions will be thrown out. There was just not enough information.

  17. The virus game really threw me off – I had no idea how to set it up! If most people felt the same way, would that affect the curve? I was so irritated because I was so solid in that section up until that game. I’m so curious as to how one would have set that up. Guess I’ll just have to wait.

      • It was worse because I think the rules would have allowed for a lot inferences which would have probably helped solve all the questions in like two minutes. But the diagram was key. I felt so dumb and helpless!

    • Ditto, that was the only game in that section that caught me off guard. Very curious on how other people set it up because I had no idea.

  18. I’m not too familiar with the scoring “curve” for LSATs but it seems unanimous that the “virus” game really threw every one for a loop. If it’s a widespread low score for that section or that specific game would this affect the curve significantly?

    • The virus game completely threw me. I couldn’t figure out the set up. I know I was perfect in the LG section until then. Just frustrating. I had to guess on almost every single question in the game. I can sense though that once you figured out the setup, it may have been pretty easy.

    • It does not matter. They don’t score you against other people who took it Sept 24, it’s a more sophisticated system – getting scored against test takers from several years ago.

  19. Does anyone have the actual text/questions of the Viruses logic game? How would you characterize that one? Seems totally crazy. The experimental section to me was really clear, but not that question!

    • If anyone does happen to have the text/questions from that (or any) game, it’d be a pretty serious misconduct violation… so please don’t discuss the substance of the test.

      ——-

      DO feel free to share RC and LG keywords, this will help us figure out what the real sections were.

      DO celebrate your achievement! You’ve worked hard and you have completed the LSAT!

      DO NOT post any question specifics like “I got A for #2” or write at more than just a keyword or two about any question, this could get you (and us) in trouble with the LSAC. Saying I had an RC passage about Galileo is ok, saying I had an RC passage about how Galileo was not the first person… is not ok.

      DO NOT talk about specific game set ups, or how you tried to solve it.
      Comments that violate these guidelines will be deleted.

    • I didn’t finish the 1st section of LR in time so I had to bubble random guesses before time ran out towards the end, but I’m hoping that was experimental. That was the only LR section with 27 questions and my other two LR sections were 25 questions.

      • Do you recall any of the questions in your first LR section? I struggled with my first LR section (of 3) so am hoping it was experimental.

          • I’m having trouble remembering the questions too 🙁 my brain is just fried! There was 3 LR so I can’t remember distinctive sections unfortunately

      • From what I remember I only had 2 logical reasoning sections and none of them had 27 questions. So i think logical reasoning with 27 questions was the experimental section

  20. I also had 3 LR sections. 1 with 25 QS and 2 with 26 QS. However, the third LR section contained what I am pretty sure was a typo. It was on the question about anestiologists being able to administer anesthetics without the supervision of a doctor.

    Additional Q, do all test takers not have the same experimental section? Some test takers had 2 LGs?

  21. cilib2rkcilib2rk
    2 hours ago 5 karma
    I had 3 LR sections–two of them had 26 questions and the other had 25. One of my LR sections with 26 questions had its very first question regarding loggerhead turtles. Trying to figure out if that was real or experimental. Can anyone recall if they had that question? Also, did people with only 2 LRs have 25 questions in one of the sections?

    Thanks!

  22. I had 2 LG sections on mine. The first section was definitely experimental. I’m hearing mixed reviews about the difficulty of one of the scored games regarding computer viruses. I didn’t find that one to be too difficult once you understood how to do the set up.

    • Just FYI: The order in which the sections are presented varies depending on which test form you had. They may be multiple test forms with 2 LG sections, so the order of the sections isn’t a reliable way to determine which was experimental. It’s always best to be sure and cross-reference the list of real LG sections (at the top of this post).

    • I as well had 2 LG. The first one, which was section one for me was terrible. But I can’t remember what games were in it. Do you?

  23. Dear friends I do need help at this hard time. I took the test in DC and got 2 readings section, that was section 1 and 3. The comparative passage for sec 1 was about online virtual trade, and the comparative passage of sec 3 was about muscle regainning. Since I didn’t do well in sec 3 so I was desperately considering whether to get this score or not and hoping somebody could find out which one is the formal section. Prey for all.

    • One was about bodybuilders, another about a woman architect, one was comparing legal matters of monetary compensation or forcing someone to fufil a contractual law.

    • For anyone who took it abroad (Europe): Native american art/Wolfs and dogs, human cues/major inheritance case/EU competition law

  24. Hi there! I took the test abroad and am sure that my RC and LR sections were completely different than those in the US.

    I had an experimental LG and would love any confirmation form someone who took it abroad (Europe?)

    One section started with a sequencing game about witnesses (I’m pretty sure it was in this section that there was a game about printing vs. verifying transactions). The other one involved inspections over 4 months in Ghana/India/France. Really hoping the second one was experimental.

          • Thanks for writing Ally.

            Did that same section also have a game about violinists and pianists?

            Only just starting to remember the games…

            Or does any of this sound familiar:
            – Sequencing witnesses.
            – Printing vs. verifying transaction
            – 4 people who are stencilling/origami/mosaic etc.

          • I took the LSAT in Europe and also had two LG Sections (RC, LG, LR, LR, LG). The 2nd LG section was with violinists/ pianists, printing/ verifying transaction ….
            Really hoping the 1st LG section was the experimental one. The 1st LG had one game about new employees/ senior employees.

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