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 Looking for 2014 LSAT Score Release information? Click Here for the September 2014 LSAT Score Release Discussion

DECEMBER 2013 LSAT TAKERS, Check Out the December 2013 Post here: http://lawschooli.com/december-2013-lsat-info-post/

It looks like the scores are rolling out today! (As I successfully predicted yesterday.) The curve for the October 2013 LSAT released today is -12, meaning you could get 12 wrong and still score a 170.

Click here to discuss the October 2013 LSAT Score Release in the comments below

If you want to talk about your score or experience (anonymously or otherwise) use the comments in this post to vent. We’ll be happy to give advice if you need it.

First things first– For those of you who killed it, CONGRATULATIONS. It’s done, it’s over. You can burn your LSAT books now if you want.

Now I know all too well that some of you are not going to be happy with your scores. It sucks. Badly. If you scored well below your practice average, don’t worry. It was likely a freak occurrence. All you have to do is maintain your skills and try again. Have a fun Halloween and forget about it for the moment.

If on the other hand you scored too low but it was around what you expected based on your practice scores, well, then we have some work to do. Here are some resources for those considering a retake:

Retaker Resources

LSAT Retaker Score Improvement Averages

Retaking the LSAT. How To Make Sure Your Score Improves Next Time

Should I Retake The LSAT?

Are Your Chances of Being Admitted To Law School Limited If You Have Taken The LSAT 3 Times?

How Do Law Schools View Mulitple LSAT Scores?

Basically, there is no reason to freak out. Nowadays, law schools don’t put much stock in any lower scores so long as you go out and get a better one. If you still want this, it’s still yours to go get.

Please, feel free to comment below. We’ll be here all day to provide our advice, free as always. Vent, celebrate, whatever. Let it out.

Also, be proud of yourself just for getting through this. The LSAT is always an ordeal. You are a much tougher person for putting yourself through it.

UPDATE 3:45PM CST — Here is the October 2013 Score Conversion Chart

October-2013-LSAT-Score-Chart

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    • Joshua Craven and Evan Jones on

      Good luck Alice. They roll out in no particular order. Don’t worry it will come. People have been trying for years to figure out the pattern to how they release them, but it appears totally random as far as anyone can tell.

  1. An example of tenacity I saw on twitter:

    156 (oct 12) — 160 (dec 12) —-> 172 (october 13)

    What an improvement! Congratulations!

  2. I was scoring around a 165 on my practice tests and ended up getting a 158. Even if I started studying today I would only have a month. Is it worth it to try and take it again?

      • That’s my biggest issue is anxiety on test day. I usually only get 2 questions wrong on LG and on the actual test I got 6 wrong, I think I read a rule incorrectly 🙁

      • Ouch, Im sorry. That can really happen to anyone. Just console yourself knowing it’s very unlikely to happen again.

        Trust me, no matter what you are going to be less anxious the second time around.

    • That’s too bad Sam. My opinion is that you can’t fail, but you sure can make yourself very unhappy for a few days with a score below expectations.

      That said, there aren’t good law school options right now unless you get an above average score. Generally anyone below 155 should try at least one more time to boost their score.

  3. So, I got exactly in the range I expected to. And my score was good, don’t get me wrong! But after the wave of relief washed over me, I had a small voice in the back of my head telling me that if I was consistently getting 2-3 points higher on my practice tests, I can still improve on my score in December. At what point is it worth it to just say, “hey, you got a good score and are going to be fine,” versus putting myself through the whole crazy study thing again just for a few point increase?

    I didn’t want to post my score but I guess it’s fairly important to answering this question. I got a 170, but in practice tests had been averaging 169-173.

    • Danielle,

      That’s a tough one. Is your GPA good enough to get you into the schools you want with that LSAT?

      Situations like this are too tricky for me to say there is a ‘right answer’ for what you should do. One option to consider that you apply to schools ASAP, but sign up for a retake in Feb as well. If you aren’t getting the results you want out of your applications, you can retake to try to boost your chances.

      • Hey, thank you for answering my question and I apologize about my delay in responding again. I was expecting an email when a response came in and I never got one!

        My GPA is not as high as I wish it was…3.67. However, it is a GPA from a top 20 university, which I’ve heard they take into consideration? My goal is to get into a UCLA, with my reach schools currently around the Berkeley/Michigan area, and a super stretch being Columbia.

        My GPA is a little low for all these schools, but my LSAT for the most part is right where it needs to be. Would those extra points be enough to make them ignore my slightly lower GPA?

      • That GPA really isn’t that low so you’ll be fine and yes, they do consider the quality of the undergrad institution.

        I really think you are in good shape. You are likely in at several t14s. Columbia will be a bit of a dice roll, yes, but you are within their ranges.

        So, strictly speaking, you don’t need to boost your LSAT to make them overlook that GPA. However, your scholarship drawing power would go up quite a bit with a higher LSAT score. A 173 would probably also make admission at Columbia closer to a certainty.

        It’s a tough spot to be in. Too tough for an easy call. Weigh your choices carefully and seek more advice. One thing is that there is not a whole lot of downside if you take in Feb and do worse. However, Feb has it’s own drawbacks: http://lawschooli.com/should-i-take-the-february-2014-lsat-if-i-am-applying-to-law-school-for-fall-2014/

        Stay in touch and let me know what you are thinking.

      • Thanks so much Evan. I feel a bit better with some affirmation from you in terms of my eligibility to the schools in my ideal range.

        I’m thinking as of now I’ll probably follow your advice and apply as early as possible, with the backup plan of taking the Feb. test if my acceptances aren’t where I want them to be/if I’m not getting scholarships. I’m a tad concerned about how easy it would be to study the second time around since I basically used every available test since 2002, and so hopefully by the time I start studying for the Feb test, they will be less familiar and I will be able to use them again.

        Thanks again for you advice and I will definitely keep you posted/ask more questions as they arise. This site has been such a helpful resource throughout the studying process, and although this is my first time writing in, I can’t thank you guys enough for your informative and motivational posts. Your tips definitely helped prepare me and get me through some of the most stressful and intense months of my academic career!

        An appreciative fan,
        Danielle 🙂

  4. Scored a 148, pretty disappointed. The first 10-15 questions in each section were consistent and correct. I’m not sure if I should retake the exam and how I should go about studying in this 5 week period. I definitely need the most help with analytical reasoning. Any suggestions? Also, if you do have a low score like this, will admissions toss it out without looking further at resume, personal statement and letters of rec?

  5. Amber,

    Here’s the same advice I give everyone is this situation: there aren’t good law school options out there right now for students applying with low 150s and below LSAT scores. You should try for a higher score.

    The odds are really stacked against you if you are hoping to substantially improve your score with just a month of practice. 100% of the time I advise people in your situation to delay and take the test in February. I know every expert would agree with me here.

    While they won’t throw your application out right away, you are odds are very slim (>5%) at any school where you are substantially below the 25th percentile numbers. The exception is if you are a URM applicant, in which case a wider range of scores might be acceptable for a given school. However, everyone should try to improve to at least high 150s before applying.

    As far as suggestions, give me some details as to what you have done to prep and I’ll be happy to give you some direction.

  6. I just bombed the October LSAT. I got a 151 which is a bit far from my scores during PTs. During my practice tests, I was scoring 158 to 159. I knew I should’ve postponed it. But the thing is during the test, I actually choked and eventually bombed it. I’m planning to retake in December, do I still have a chance to raise my score from 151 (october lsat score)/ 158 (practice test scores) to something like high 160s to 170? Is that too impossible for a month practice? My problem has always been time and I always freak out whenever I’m doing the reading comprehension section.

    Do I still have a chance? I’m kind of losing hope. My weakness is time and I guess reading comp when timed. Do you have any suggestions or maybe things that I should also do on how not to bomb the lsat again?

    Thanks

    • For decision making purposes that kind of improvement in that time frame should be considered impossible. If you want to improve much beyond high 150’s, you should be taking in Feb and really devoting yourself to intense study.

      What did you do to study this time around? 150s scorers can often really benefit for a course. My current thinking is 7Sage is the best option. Though I like powerscore’s books for self-study, I think the 7sage course is a superior value and provides equally awesome strategies.

  7. Hi Josh and Evan,
    Right now, I am at a crossroads as far as my LSAT prep is going. I enrolled in a prep course and the techniques are working well for me for LG and LR. However, the RC methods are taking me way too long to apply(I am finishing only two passages with any sort of accuracy.) Currently, I am scoring in the low 150’s range on pts which is steady improvement from where I started. I am considering abandoning the RC methods from the course and using the powerscore RC bible.

    The December LSAT is about a month away. I don’t know if I will have enough time to learn new RC strategies while also doing timed sections and taking practice tests. I have twelve fresh practice tests left. Should I continue pressing on for December and take all the remaining practice tests I have or stop and regroup for February, starting your 3-month plan now and saving all 12 fresh practice tests for January and using pts with problems I have seen for practice tests before the 12 fresh ones and timed sections? With a February LSAT score, I know I will be at a disadvantage when applying this year but I would be ok with waiting until the next cycle. If I use the other powerscore bibles as well, is it advisable to use powerscore for some question types(like for example, parallel and necessary questions) and the techniques from my course(blueprint) for others as long as I don’t confuse myself?

    How should I respond to any adverse reactions from family if I decide to take the February LSAT and wait to apply next year? I know I will be able to handle these reactions, but any advice on making things a little smoother would be nice:)

    • Brent,

      Definitely stop and take the test in Feb. You should then sort of reset your study especially where RC is concerned. Work through RC passages untimed a lot until you get very accurate. Speed should build a little during that process. Don’t touch those fresh pts until the month before the test.

      Which class are you taking? I’ll let you know what I think of their RC strategies.

  8. Uggg…I just found your site while trying to decide whether to retake the LSAT in December, helpful stuff on here.

    I got a 162, which is lower than my last few practice tests, and I scored 10% below what I have EVER done before on RC. Many of the schools I want to apply to are T20, and so I am below most of the 25th% scores, though my GPA is 3.85….any advice about retaking??

    • Thanks Amy. I would give it another go in your situation. Check out yesterdays post from Ann Levine. I think she would agree.

      Any time you know that you did more than a couple points below your potential, that’s a retake.

      That’s a great GPA. Get yourself a 165 or better to go with that.

  9. So I scored a 164. I had been scoring 165/166 on pretty much all my practice tests, so I was slightly disappointed but I don’t see it as a big enough gap to justify retaking. My GPA is 3.8 (double major: Political Science & English–double minor: Business & Technical Communication). I currently work part time in the intake department of a law firm and attend The Ohio State University. I am a San Diego native and want to attend the top school I can possibly get into. Any advice of schools I should look at? Right now I’m thinking Berkeley, UCLA, Emory, Cornell, Wash U in St. Louis, USC, Vanderbilt. Any suggestions? Thoughts?

    • Also, currently president of a pretty large social fraternity off campus that has won quite a few awards over the past year and a half.

      • Yeah, that’s a tiny gap. It’s a bit harder to justify a retake here.

        One strategy is to apply now and only consider retaking in February if you don’t like the results you are getting from schools. That’s what I might suggest.

        That’s a perfect list but I would add a couple of slightly lower ranked schools where you might draw really big scholarships. Use those offers in scholarship negotiations later if possible. Even if you would never attend those schools under any circumstances, your target schools don’t have to know that.

  10. I scored a 147 on the October LSAT. I was consistently getting 150-154 and on my last practice before the test got a 159. I was nervous when taking the test and the test proctor had shoes the squeaked when she walked by that were very distracting. In addition multiple people were sick and coughing. Do you think I should wait to retake until February or go ahead and take it in December?

    • Definitely retake in Feb. December is not enough time to really improve and you should be trying to get to high 150s at least. Try studying in a more distracting environment like a library to get used to it. Good luck!

  11. I got a 161 on the October LSAT. I’m considering retaking. However, this would be my 3rd time taking it this year. I scored a 152 in June with maybe a month of studying, and I studied a little bit over a month for the October administration. I self studied for Oct using a friend’s old blueprint books (without the online course) but only got through 2 1/2 out of 4 of them. My biggest issue is timing; I’ve never been able to finish any of the sections even though I’ve had a lot of practice. I was scoring in the mid to high 150s on most of my practice tests so I was pleasantly surprised with the 161. Which is also why I’m having difficulty deciding if I should retake it. I’m about to start a full time job that’s going to be taking about 11 hours out of my day. I’m not sure I can dedicate as much time as I was before. Even if I raise it to, say a 164, would it be enough to be competitive? I have a 3.86 GPA. My major was Psychology and I have a minor in women’s studies. Any advice would be great. Thanks!

    • First off, stellar improvement. I do wish you had of just studied for 3 months the first time and we might not be having this talk 🙂

      That is a great GPA. Since you improved so much so far. I get the feeling that that with proper, disciplined study you could score at least mid 160s maybe higher. Speed builds slowly with practice.

      That said. It’s going to be hard to do that with your work schedule. It’s a situation where I wouldn’t presume to tell you what to do, but if I were in your position I would give it one more shot in Feb, study really hard, and then apply the following year. Something to think about. A high 160s with your GPA would make you competitive at several T14s.

  12. Hey guys,

    So I scored a 158 on the October LSAT. In practice tests during the weeks before the actual exam, I was scoring mid 160s and above pretty consistently. My GPA is not that high, so I’m considering to take it again. Do you think it’s a good bet? My biggest issue was test anxiety the day of the exam. I found myself constantly short on time even though it wasn’t an issue during timed practice tests. Any tips?

    • That’s a retake every time. It might help you to know that you are going to be less freaked out next time. That’s just the way it works. Focus on taking good care of yourself leading up to the next exam. Play sports. Don’t drink. Meditate even (that’s a serious recommendation. Some studies have shown meditation helps boost standardized test scores)

      Read this: http://lawschooli.com/how-to-relax-and-not-stress-before-the-lsat/ Also, don’t put too much pressure on yourself. You can always take it a third time. Unless you are going to Harvard, it’s not a problem. No one else averages scores.

      • Thanks Evan!

        Since I am planning to apply this fall, do you think I should wait to send in my applications with my second LSAT score or should I send in the applications first followed by the LSAT score whenever I get them?

      • I would just wait. They won’t review them until they get the score. To try to have them out the door right when you get your score.

  13. I scored a 161. I’m torn now between retaking in December and sitting out this cycle, waiting to retake til June.

    I’m really disappointed in my score, and know I can do better. It’s just LG that’s stopping me. I worked mainly with the PS LG bible for 3 months, although not as religiously as I should have. I definitely could have drilled more. LG just weren’t really clicking in my brain. I’ve ordered Blueprint’s LG book, so hopefully a different format will freshen things up for me. I consistently go around -2 or -3 in LR and RC.

    In the 2 days since my test, I kind of convinced myself that waiting til next year was the best option. I had these beautiful images of drilling for 6 months straight, getting a 175 or something, and doing awesome next cycle. Now I’m leaning towards December. It’s really only LG in my way! So frustrating. They say it’s the most improvable, which gives me hope.

    Anyway, I think my strategy at the moment is to register for December, study like crazy between now and the date change deadline (middle of the month) and decide then whether I’m ready for December or to hold off til June. Plus, worst case scenario, I could always do both, although I can think of much more appealing ways to keep blowing $160.

    Any advice? For reference, my LSAC GPA is a bummer (3.1), and I’m aiming for DC area schools – Georgetown (obviously only if my LSAT jumps quite a bit), GWU, GMU, and of course I’d really like to avoid American, but at this point that’s about the only place my LSAT would get me.

    Sorry for the life story!

      • Rebecca. Your December idea might work but it’s a long shot. I would just do Feb. It’s much more realistic to expect a big jump by then.

        Start with a mix of just redoing games that you have already done a while ago now and fresh games. Getting the blueprint book is a good idea. Have days of really intense games study, like just 5 hours of doing games. Trust me, do that and improvements will happen.

      • Thanks Evan. I appreciate it. While I’m waiting for the Blueprint book I’m doing games and watching 7sage explanations. So far so good.

        Another quick question – you suggested taking Feb, but isn’t that late for this cycle anyway? The way I had been thinking about it, I’m seeing pretty much 2 options – Dec for this cycle or June for next cycle. Does this sound like a good plan?

      • Yes, Feb is late. You would almost certainly want to apply the following fall if you take in Feb. In that case, June works just as well.

  14. I haven’t taken the LSAT yet (I’m taking it in Feb) and of course I’m looking for the best prep materials. I see that you recommend the LSAT Bibles, but they’re around $43 each on Amazon. Do you have any other recommendations that may be less expensive?

    • Sorry meghan, they charge that much because they can. They can because they are good. You could skip the RC bible for now. Sometimes RC just really isn’t a problem for people so they don’t end up needing it.

    • I confess I’m not familiar with their techniques for LR and RC as they don’t publish any books for sale to the general public for that. From what I’ve heard, their approach is somewhat similar to Powerscore. They are a very reputable company. I am sure it won’t hurt to see what they have to say on any LSAT related subject.

  15. Ok sounds good. Because Blueprint and Powerscore both have good reputations, is it ok to utilize strategies that feel and work best for me from both companies to answer LSAT questions as long as I use one consistent method for each individual question type. For example, using Powerscore for RC, Blueprint for LG, and using Powerscore to answer some LR questions types and Blueprint for others?

    • Molly,

      Both Blueprint & PowerScore have some great materials, so you should feel pretty comfortable trusting the advice published by either company. I think you hit the nail on the head though when you mentioned using a singular consistent approach on any given question type.

      I’m a big believer in the idea that one of the keys to a high LSAT score is developing:
      a) the ability to quickly recognize the type of problem that you are dealing with,
      b) the insight to understand how to approach the problem efficiently, and
      c) the discipline to tackle that type of problem the same way over and over until it becomes methodical.

      If you find one company’s approach to a particular problem type more intuitive, I don’t see any reason why you shouldn’t take advantage of that as long as you are consistent in your approach.

  16. Hi, first of all I found your website recently and it’s been so helpful 🙂
    okay so I have a bit of a dilemma. I have a gpa that falls in 3.9-4.0 range, and I got 165 on october lsat. I went -2 on LG and the rest was split about evenly between LR and RC. towards october test, i felt like i needed more prep time to really get those two sections, but i just wanted to take it and see how it goes.
    I feel like i should retake bc i think i can improve (at least a bit) and my family’s kinda pressuring me to retake it as well, mostly bc we all think getting scholarship $ with 165 will be hard.
    if i do retake, it’d be in december but I’ll be taking it in a different area than the first test :S which’s kinda bothering me. (it’s because of a family event, more specifically, a wedding on the test day! such is life i guess.)

    I would really like some insight from you… should I retake in december?
    on a different note, what schools do you think i can get in without a retake? (assuming my softs are medium/good) what do you suggest I do?

    • Lucy,

      Retaking is fine in your situation. The one thing I would caution you on is that a December retake might not give you enough time to see significant improvements. Try if you want by studying in the next few weeks, but do not hesitate to delay until Feb if you haven’t seen a big enough boost in your practice test scores. You never want to count on a test day boost. You are likely going to hit right around wherever you are scoring on pts.

      It’s true that a Feb retake might mean you have to hold off and apply the following cycle for best results. We have a detailed discussion of this here: http://lawschooli.com/should-i-take-the-february-2014-lsat-if-i-am-applying-to-law-school-for-fall-2014/ You can certainly apply in Feb, but you run the risk that you are getting less than the best $$ offers from schools.

      Your 165/4.0 kind of puts you straddling the lower T-14 cut-off line. I’d expect you will get into a few, but without much $. Get a 168 or better and you’d be in a whole other world. Even a T6 school would be firmly within reach at that point.

      I’ll be rooting for you. Let me know how it’s going.

  17. Hello Evan and Josh!

    I also recently found your website and found it very inspiring and motivating. I got my october lsat score back and got a 161. I was very disappointed because I have been studying for the LSATs for a year and a half now. I have taken the blueprint course and reviewed the materials twice. I took 50 practice tests and am now working on the lsat prep tests 1-18 so basically by December I would have taken every prep tests published by the LSAC. I have and did all the logic bibles books and more. I have even crossed over to the GMAT side to get more logical reasoning practice. I have a 3.92 gpa from Berkeley, I graduated a year early to study for the lsat and it seems that I just don’t get this stuff apparently. It’s like a whole other world for me. I have to take the December lsat test again and this time I just have to come into the test with a better mentality. On the October test I felt like I was going to pass out because I was so scared of failing. This December will be my last chance to take the lsat because I took the lsat in June 2013 and had to cancel because it was bad. The week before the June lsat I found out my father has terminal liver cancer stage IV and only has a couple of months to live (so the doctors say). So perhaps this fact is affecting me greatly on a subconscious level but I just hope I do well on the December test.

    • Kimberly, I am very sorry to here about your Dad. That would seriously affect anyone.

      Where are you scoring on practice tests? If it’s below where you want it to be, don’t take the test yet. You aren’t likely to outperform your practice scores on the day of the test. Use a few fresh tests to get an idea of your pt average if you haven’t done that in a while. If you withdraw you’ll still be able to take the test one more time within the two year span.

      Often when I see smart people who are stuck the problem is that they don’t have a firm enough grasp of logic. They get lost in the forest of other advice and forget the basic task of the LSAT, which is to analyze arguments and draw logically valid inferences from them. If you think that might be a problem really focus on making sure you know conditional reasoning cold.

      Also make sure you are 100% accurate answering questions without time pressure. For LR questions, make sure you can explain to yourself in clear terms why each right answer is correct and why the wrong answers are not.

      The one thing I would say is that with a 3.95 from Berkeley you have a lot more thinking to do about whether law school is right for you. Unless you can pair that with a 165 or better, I would imagine there are easier paths than the law. Obviously I don’t know the specifics of your situation, but I know lots of 20-somethings tend to discount other options when they get focused on going to law school. Make sure you don’t have what I call “law school tunnel-vision.”

      The LSAT doesn’t come to everyone. A 161 is a great score, but it seems it’s not a great score for you. That’s fine. If you can’t get what you consider a great score, you are usually better off seeking other options.

      • Hello Evan,

        Thank you so much for your comments and advice. In the past my practice tests were in the high 160s to 170s range. Usually I miss around three on each section. Yes I really need to make sure I understand the logical reasoning questions 100% and I need to brush up on the conditional reasoning. I was thinking if I didn’t do well on the lsat I can go to a lower tiered law school and perhaps transfer after the first year.

        Haha and yes its funny that you would call it the “law school tunnel-vision.” Honestly I’m not sure if law school would be the right choice but I’ve dabbled with the law a bit ( very minor just 1 small claims case, 3 unlawful detainers with a total settlement of 10 grand). My parents didn’t want to hire a lawyer so I had to do it. I had fun with it but I know law cases are probably going to be a lot more difficult and complex than what I did. But anyways thank you so much Evan for your time and advice 🙂 I really appreciate it because I know you must be very busy and stuff and it’s really nice that you find the time to help us kids out.

  18. Just scored a 151 on October LSAT (it was a fun birthday surprise from my mom- what fun, right?) with no studying whatsoever.

    Just found out she signed me up for December LSAT as well.

    Missed only 2 on reading comp, missed an equal number spread across the rest of the test. What would you suggest to be the thing to study to get the biggest score boost within the next month?

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