So, I've set up this live chat feature for us to discuss the test without needing to refresh the browser
So how'd the test go, everyone?
I thought LG was easy
So, we're hearing that the REAL RC was: jazz, psychology, judge research; forgot the 4th
Can anyone help confirm that Jazz, Psychology and Judge Research were the real RC?
and does anyone know the 4th passage topic?
That was the real RC, I had three LRs
Two of my LRs had 25 questions the other had 26 I think, can anyone help me narrow down which one was the experimental?
Anyone who only had 2
please let us know!
I had 2 LG sections
I'm hearing that 1 of the real LR sections had 25 questions and the other real LR section had 26
can anyone help confirm this?
The real LG had the one with sending people to Milan Tokyo and Sydney
I can confirm the milan, tokyo, and sydney was real.
Anyone know if LR with vampires was real?
Did the real LG have the 7 waiters in 2 intermissions?
Vampires was real
No, no waiters on the real LG
how about "photos" game
photos was real
Two LG, 1 RC, Two LG. one LG was experimental, likely section 3 (the first set)
how about "cities" game?
can anyone confirm if the "cities" game was real?
Cities was real
The fourth was about dowsing.
would everyone's experimental have been the same section number?
No, they mix it up
Cities game was real, I only had one LG
Would that be the one with Manila Sydney and Tokyo?
Cities game was Milan/Tokyo/Sydney?
Anyone with 2 LRs, was there a question towards the end of the section involving elements? Trying to figuee out if thats real or experimental
is that the same one?
Was the 9 slot sequencing game with breweries on the real section?
Anonymous 34. Was that an answer to the breweries question?
Thanks. That's a huge relief.
Yes, sorry. Breweries experimental, cities game with M, S, and T
Elements like tellerium?
I had 2LRs and that was one of the ending questions for me
Anonymous 34: Tell me a bit more about the elements question.
That was real
elements like tellerium was on which section?
It involved tellerium. It was the last ? I did in my last section, so maybe it wasnt that hard and i was just done at that point
MBT or strongly supported with tellerium and rods was real
Had to do with a nuclear power plant melting down and the elements being sprayed in the air
and we can confirm that was real?
That was real. I had only 2 LR sections and had it.
Real game had vault/ rope climb
So that means that one of the LR sections definitely only had 25 questions.
The nuclear plant/elements question was in the 25 ? section
One real LR had chimps vs orangoutangs
I had one LG and had vault, rope climb, wall and
Real game included cities (Milan, Tokyo, and Sydney), sequencing the rope climb, vault, wall, etc, sequencing the photographs that were rural or urban, and I can't recall the other
What letter did you choose about the chimps?
I had 3 LR sections, 1st, 3rd, 5th.
waiters was the experiemental
I remember that question. I want to say that was not in my first LR section which only had 25 ?s. Could be wrong, but that leads me to believe that the LR experimental was one of the 25 ? ones so the two LR sections were 25/26 ?s
I also has 3 LR sections, 1st, 3rd, 5th. Do we know which one's were real?
It looks like 5th was real.
Don't talk about answer choices please!
I brlievevthe experimental LR was either the 3rd or 5th section
Im thinking the 3rd since the 5th definitely had the nuclear power plant ?
Cities, Rope Climb, Concerts, Photographs. I only had one LG and that's the games I ahd
the LG section was extremely easy, for me at least
Right. The first real LR had chimps and orangutans. And the second real one had the telerium/nuclear power plant question
keep in mind that it is possible to have multiple test forms with 3 LR sections, so it is generally not possible to determine which was experimental by the order of the sections.
but yes, rope, cities was def the real LG
Agree with you anonymous 163. But the experimental LG was not.
I had 2 LR sections. First one had chimps orangutan question, and second had telerium question.
for LG i've got the following: Cities/Milan/Tokyo/Sydney & Photos/Rural/Urban Rope & Climb/Vault/Wall
Was the chimps one the 26 question one?
That looks right for LG
can any one help me identify the 4th LG topic?
Was LG with junior VPs supervised by senior VPs real?
I'm pretty sure I had one where they were determining order of who can perform
I had two grouping and two linear
Someone said concerts as well earlier but I don't remember the specifics.
There was something about issues
Intermissions question was fun...(not)
Didn't have any VPs with senior VPs
Alright, I figured out how to turn on the enter/leave notifications
that's much better
Concerts was the last Lg real
Was the 26 question lr real?
Photo, cities, concerts, rope wall zip line
I'm pretty sure the Tokyo/cities one was the last LG.
Yes but last one to be named in the discussion board!
I think I had a 26 question LR and I had only 2 LRs
Gotcha Anonymous 122
It seems like for people who had exp. LR that one of the 25 ? ones was experimental, whichever one didnt have nuclear plant ?
I was so happy when I didn't see any "weird" questions like the computer virus one
From what I'm hearing there was 1 26 section LR and 1 25 section LR
27 RC, 23 LG
What did you all think about the RC? (difficulty level)?
Pretty standard RC. Only one moderately tough passage, IMO.
The RC psychology passage was a bit difficult to get through. The other ones seemed fairly normal
Ugh that was so hard
That's the one moderately tough one I was referring to.
I thought RC was brutal just because it was pretty differebt
RC was def brutal
The dowsing one was okay...but psychology one was def hard
I was caught in my "inferential" thinking while reading the passage LOL
for those that had two LR .. were both 26 questions ?
That psychology passage was a mindf**k
I think one had 26, one had 24 or 25?
I think one 26 LR, one 25 LR.
I've heard one was 25 (the one with nuclear power) and one was 26
They mess with your mind by putting the hardest passage second.
Does anyone remember any ?s from the 26 ? one besides chimps and orangutans
Can I ask about the word that was on the RC section?
Real RC was jazz, dowsing, psychology/inferences, and judge research
yeah can you guys plz provide more questions for the LR .. I had three LR sections and I'm trying to figure out which was the experimental
Anon 188. I can try to answer you if you ask about a specific question.
one LR was really brutal and I didn't finish in time
RC - word question?
The only thing ppl with 2 LRs have confirmed is nuclear plant at the end of a section was real as well as chimps/orangutans
Yeah there were a word in a question I'm trying to remember it but can't
I can confirm whether I had specific questions if you ask, but I don't specifically remember questions without being prompted.
about the independent reserach
it was one word answer the meaning
Waiters/Intermissions was not real
Anyone w/ 2 LRs remember a question about europe and fire, it was early in the section. Im trying to remember if it was the same section as the nuclear one
lol europe & fire question took me literally 2+ minutes..
I kept misreading the question..
y'all just legit made my day. I had 2 LG sections and the 1st one, which was apparently the exp., absolutely killed me
I think that LSAC compensated for an unusually easy LG section with a kinda wierd LR.
Same experience as you anon 360.
Was it copious?
more details about europe and fire?
Can we confirm that Europe/Fire was on the a real LR section?
doesn't ring a bell, but I can't say for certain without a bit more prompting.
Yes; I had 2 games sections and the Europe/Fire was one of my LR
If thats the case then i am 99% sure that the exp. LR was 25 ?s
Pretty sure there was one 26 LR and one 25 LR.
I had 2 LR and 2 RC 1 LG section
not sure ab the Europe/fire thing
Europe/Fire was real. I only had 2 LR sections; my exp was a games
Any one have a game with flowers? Or appointments for w-f
No flowers on real LG
nope no flowers
Also someone can confirm or deny, but i think a question about chlorophyll was in the same as the nuclear elements ?, meaning it would be real
@Anon34 - not sure if it was in the same sections but the chlorophyll was a real.
For those with two LR sections, did you find one of them to be very difficult? I had three and two of them were pretty easy but my first section was brutal
I had 3 LR sections and one of them I do not even remember what I read smh
I thought the 25 ? (What i now know to be real) section was hardest. My other two were about the same.
so the 25 questions LR was real?
i kinda froze on the essay part too
I don't remember the numbers on any of them except that the games I tanked on, which was apparently exp, had 23
For people with 3 LR, did the order go LR RC LR LG LR? And if it did, which was experimental?
my order went just like yours 323
That was my order
the last LR is definitely real
im not sure about the 1st or 3rd though
i bummed the last one and thought the 1/2 were okay
For me the last one had the elements question
Breweries was brutal
The whole section that had the Breweries was brutal for me; didn't get close to finishing
Breweries wasn't real. Thank Heavens.
Here's what i have so far https://lawschooli.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/06/20170612-235322-1031515906593f2972d57c3.png
Real LR Sections – (25 Questions & 26 Questions) Real Questions: -Nuclear Plant/Meltdown/Elements/Tellurium [Last Question of Section] -Chimps/Orangutans -Chlorophyll -Europe/Fire
any others we can think of?
I feel like there was one about mosquitoes and gas
mosquitoes & gas was real
Yes can confirm
Which one was the experimental, anyone remember one question?
It seems like the real LSAT was composed of one harder than average LR, one regular LR, a pretty regular RC with one hard passage, and an easier than usual LG section. That was my experience and seems to have been confirmed by others.
The section that had the question about the mammals that need to go into mom's pouches was real
I'll recognize them if I see them but I'm drawing blanks just trying to come up with them. If I'd known this place existed, I might've tried to remember more
I second 106 about the mosquitoes and the marsupials.
What about the one that had to do with natural gas power plants
Also (i believe it was in the section with the elements question), there was a parallel ? about medicine effectiveness
Anon34...i think you're right
It was a flaw ?
I remember the rest but dont want to break any rules giving any more info
I believe so
Someone mentioned VPs being supervised by senior VPs, was that on exp LG?
anyone else feel like RC was really weird?
oh, there was one about CEOs/Managers ...that's real
remember that LR question
This chat is so much better than refreshing forums
its about CEOs writing a manual about managers or something like that
Yes, there was a CEO/manager LR
I'm so glad I found this, I was seriously stressing about how horrible my first games section was
Anonymous 360: I'm in the same boat as you!
There was also an LR ? about movie reviewers
Yes reviewers and critica
If the breweries logic games was real, I was about to go drink every type of beer from every type of brewery to drown my sorrows.
This is really general but i want to say there was a ? about nutrients/diet effectiveness in LR
yes there was
@Anon438...that seems to be the consensus . That entire section was horrible
I still don't know the answer to the single word question from RC XD
dead right now even after googling it
For people who had two RCs, what was your order?
260..which question was that?
oh, there was a LR question about swamps and another about an (energy?) plant & pipelines
anyone think the reading comp was difficult
I remember the energy plants and pipeline one.
first two secitons
RC was very hard
I found it difficult as well. Then I started questioning myself because of my answer pattern, lol
The @Anonymous438 the beer is experimental
How did everyone feel about the LG section generally?
I thought LG was fairly straightforward
I didnt have experimental LG but there didn't seem to be any curveball games in the real section
I thought it was a relatively easy LG section
the real LG wasn'y bad
any curve predictions?
I think the one LR being difficult could have the potential to make it a bit forgiving
I could've done without the psychology RC
Totally blanking on the test right now -- which was the difficult LR?
I think the 2nd? That's the one that took me the longest
The one with the nuclear plant ?
Psychology RC was definitely tough
yeah, I believe that was in my 2nd one
Was the LR with the ecology/physical sciences question last real?
sadly, yes. That one caught me up lol
I had 3 LR sections. 1 of them that had 25 questions was by far the hardest section on the test for me. I seriously hope it's experimental.
They said earlier the LRs had 25 and 26
Was the RC with the earthquake passage as the last real or experimental?
Real had jazz, dowsing, psychology, and research
Mine went LR, RC, OR, LG, OR which one was the fake one? I did bad on the last LR
@anonymous 360. I know, I just wish I could remember the questions from that hard passage so I could tell if it was experimental.
LR not OR
Did anyone have RC LR LG LR LG
LG super easy...typically my best section, unfortunately doesn't look like it will give me much bump since others felt the same and there were no curveballs
Anon805 - I did
psych and judge rc sucked a little bit
I thought I was going to run out of time thanks to the psych one
Yeah, I moved a little too fast through the judge one at the end.
I had LR RC LR LG LR. The last LR was fairly challenging with 25 questions and begins with "vampire victims." Is it real or experimental?
yes, anon 808: lg particularly easy. It seems like the difficulty of this test was provided by an unusual LR section and 1 or 2 difficult RC passages.
vampire was real
@anonymous360 do you know which LR was fake the first or third?
There are different test forms, so you can't really tell by the order of your sections.
I don't, I'm sorry. I had 2 LGs.
Just below the chat there's a list of some real questions though if that helps
I see that I can't remember which questions were on my first and which were on my third. I guess I'll just have to wait until they release my score
Anon 716 was your first or third worse?
Anyone have any weird issues at their test center? We had a guy walk out of the test
threw down his test and gave up
one of our proctors forgot to give us the five minute warning for one of the sections
people were really angry
My test center was in an auditorium with those tiny little arm desks; not enough room to put even the entire test booklet, let alone the answer sheet and test booklet.
d**n, I would've been p****d; that 5 minute warning is life
Mine was next to a movie theatre... Boom boom boom
People were really upset at the lack of space.
My 5th was definitely the hardest first and third were similar if I had to pick I'd say 3rd was slightly easier
Anon 802 - I think that's one of the issues you can report to LSAC
My classroom was quiet and organized thankfully.
LSAC seems to have everything down to a T. You'd think they'd verify if a testing center was adequate.
@360 is there really any remedy for that sort of thing though?
anon 716 was your fifth section the one with the tellurium question at the end?
I think I did well except not so well on LG.
Yeah, People always complain about tiny desks. You'd think they'd be able to find rooms with enough desk space
Anon 888: Did you have 2 LGs, cuz if you did, maybe it was the experimental
Yes O did.
@542 - I have no idea. Maybe late cancellation of score after you get it or convince them to waive registration fees to take it again if it impacted your score? Worth a shot, lol
So, if it was the section with the breweries, you're in luck! That was experimental.
It was that section.
Good for you, then. I think a lot of people bombed that experimental section.
I had 3 logical reasoning sections, and everyone's saying that the one with 25 questions was real, but I found it so difficult. So we're the other LRs 26 questions? I can't remember
the exp LG seems to have kicked everyone's b**t who had it; so far everyone I've seen who had it, including me, just tanked it
Well I hope not to have to retake in September. This was my first time.
It's going to be a long three weeks.
One LR was 25 and one was 26 I believe
anon 828 do you remember any of the questions you had on the difficult section?
@802 I don't remember if it had that question but it definitely didn't have the chimps
my last lr had a question at the end about this nuclear power plant and different elements-- an inference question
I'm curious about what scores people think they got.
Anon 802 no I don't remember :/ can anyone help narrow down the experimental LR section?
Sounds like the last LR section for those who had 3 was definitely real.
I have no clue what I think I got but I know what Ihope I got, lol
I'm trying to figure out the experimental section too anon 828
If anyone remembers the questions from the experimental LR let us know!
First of two LG sections was a slaughter
Rest seemed okay except for some not straight forward RC
did the experimental LG hurt anyone later in the test because of a break of confidence, etc.?
Yea I think I will take it again in September. I didn't study that much for RC and I had 2 of those that absolutely killed me
@959...I've never felt so vindicated having struggled so hard with something as that section and seeing everyone else did too
I've taken about 12 preptests and other RC practice as well...still had some trouble with it
sounds like everyone else did though too
@808 - I think I did the opposite, when I realized there was another LG and I got through the 1st one I just prayed that meant the first one was exp
Can anyone with 3 LRs confirm if the question about CEOs writing management books was in the LR sec that was 3rd?
How many questions did your third section have?
all I know for sure is that one had 26 and one had 25 but I can't remember which ones were which. I believe the first one had 26 and I know the last one had 25 but idk how many were in the 3rd
Mouse study about lights or the one about land
Some other people said that the CEO writing management one was real
But I'm not sure about order
I had the CEO question.
anyone know w 2 LRs have a study about lights and mice or a landlord &tenants
doesn't sounds familiar
Vampire....CEO was real
Answer to the Europe / fire LR question? That it was inhabited 400,000 yrs ago?
Yeah, but I can't remember which LR sec that CEO ? was
yep there were people 400000years ago, they dont manage fire, they survived
Was the Europe/fire one in the LR section with 26 questions?
Don't discuss answers
i feel like all the ?s that we've confirmed are real were all in one section lol.
Ok my b
@anony814 my 2nd LR section /3rd section overall was 26 Qs and I think it was the one with chimps
Vampire section was real LR Ceo was also the real LR
So landlords, tenants, and energy efficiency question was in experimental LR?
did you have 3 LRs @anon715?
Anon 715 did you have three LR sections-- was your last logical reasoning section the fifth one and did it have the nuclear power plant/heavy element question at the end?
I remember I had Mosquitos and substance question in my lr
No. That question was real, 546
yes, it was real
What do you think the curve will be? I thought lg was hard
Did you have two logic game sections, 485?
no just one
Well not a real curve, but the adjustment that may occur
They just omit a few questions that a great majority got wrong or what?
yeah it's something like that
I'm wondering what if you got right what everyone got wrong
how does that work?
I had 2 LG. I think LG was the most difficult.
@anon802 yeah I had three and my last one was something about pending something until further investigation is that that one??
they have some way they multiply based on how people do but they don't toss any
that's why some tests a 64 can be a 152 on one test but a 153 or 154 on another
LG is usually my hardest; I always forget to draw a second or third diagram when it's appropriate so I waste time working more out than I should
Are the mods/whomever still trying to confirm LR questions? I had both real LRs and can probably remember a few questions if prompted.
Not 100% sure but it sounds like maybe the 2nd and 3rd LR secs (3 and 5 overall) were real. Anyone think otherwise?
*for those that had 3
Anon 715 I can't remember that specific question. My last section had another question about chlorophyll I believe
That was real, that was the second LR
The first LR had a question about breathing animals in a womb?
I can't recall the exact question
Can anyone remember if the thin skin marsupial ? was in their 1st or second LR?
Yes thin skin womb
Definitely not first for me
I had three logical reasoning sections and the thin skin one was either my 3rd section or 5th section overall
ugh too many LR secs to remember where ?s were located lol
Yeah I agree anon 844
I just really want to figure out the experimental one because I did terribly on one of the logical reasoning sections
But I can't remember any of the questions
@Anonymous802: Unfortunately you can't figure it out by section number
Heavy fabric question real???
715 - yes
Heavy fabric yes real
f**k I'm f**ked then
@anon715 think that was in the last section so probably
Oh nice, I refreshed the browser and now you can customize your username
Was the heavy fabric one in the same section as the nuclear/heavy elements one?
how about darker coffee vs light coffee... real?
844 that was real
yeah, that was real
Does anyone know a question from the experimental LR?
Great. Now if only I could remember which sec that was in.....
Hey guys, Josh Craven here
I left for a while
I'd like to update the list of LR questions below
so I'm seeing
Coffee/Dark/Light = Real
Heavy Fabric = Real
The experimental one was the one with the parallel
swamp - real
I think someone was asking about landlords/tenants/electricity before and that one was real
(energy?)plant & pipelines - real
You mean the fad diets?
the parallel q about kale I'm pretty sure was on experimental section and if I remmeber correctly maybe something w marine animals? Yeah 546 that is prob it I am
715 the fad diets was a real question though
I admit I don't remember anything about kale, but I had a question about fad diets/nutrition
Yeah I remember the marine mammals extinction paradox problem
i swear there was something to do with kale and another to do with fiber but I could be wrong
Fad Diets = Real
is that correct?
Josh - there's a good number of additional ones up a ways
i think kale was just an option in a choice for a Q but it stuck in my head
There was a weird salt one
I think the marine mammal ? was on the second LR (3rd overall)?
I don't think the kale was real; I don't seem to recall it on either of mine
Also, seconding both of Longest3WeeksEver's questions being real (swamp and plant/pipelines)
yeah I don't recall kale too
I don't recognize a marine mammal either
i had 3 LRs and don't remember anything about kale tho
Sounds like marine mammal might have been in experimental LR
Im applying to cuny law and i dont know If i hit 150 can people get in with low lsat score
844 people could have had different experimental LR sections
Marsupials/Mammals/Mom's Pouches <--- can we confirm that one?
I'm looking at Iowa and their average is 161
Yes to the marsupials question
yes; the mom's pouch was real
Painful few weeks for those scores huh...
*If it was about movie reviewers/critics, that is
oh was that the one asking what the conclusion was?
What about the judge /editor/newspaper revealing the truth one
Yeah that one slowed me down quite a bit
nutrients/diet effectiveness <-- Real?
Yes to 715 and to Josh
easy to confirm when you had the terrible LG
Can we talk more about RC??? Anyone have hominids and environment passage?
What was the judge research passage about?
Bit of a tangent, but were there different experimental LG sections? I had two LG sections but I didn't have the breweries/flowers/kittens&puppies questions and I think my experimental section might've been a bit easier because of that
1147 - Real RC Passages Jazz Psychology/Inferences Judge/Research Dowsing
You sure you didn't have the brewery one?
with the 9 different beers?
866 - I had the breweries but I didn't have kittens or puppies
Although I don't remember the kittens either
959 I feel like I would've remembered it with how much people are talking about it - I only remember the waiters/intermissions and the supervisors question
oh i don't remember the waiter question either hrrrm
and I don't recall anything about waiters
Interesting, I guess there were a bunch of different combinations then
though aside from the breweries, I'm not sure what else was on it but I don't think it was any of those
I had two LG but no breweries question on experimental (but yes kittens/puppies question). I didn't think either LG was difficult so they definitely had multiple experimental lgs
Was the one about newspapers and objectivity real?
Yes newspapers and objectivity was real
I think i had that one in my lAst LR
it was section 5
Yep newspapers/objectivity was real
Did anyone have three LRs was the last one in section five real
the last LR sec for people that had 3 in confirmed real I think.
I bombed the first one.
The sections aren't in the same order for everyone
I had LR RC LR LG LR, and I know for certain that the last one was real but I can't remember what the other ones even had in them
Anon 908-- Did your section five have the question about the nuclear/heavy element stuff?
The first one had a question about pulsars was that real
1164 - you're lucky, the whole section with breweries was a nightmare. Like, "omg should I just leave now because I'm SOL" kind of nightmare
oh well I had 1/3/5 as LR, 2 was RC, and 4 was LG
If you had LR RC LR LG LR most likely the first is experimental
yeah, Puslars was real
Omg i hope so
I bombed that first one tho lol
side note - this site is amazing, lol.
Was that in section 1
@802 My sec 5 had the nuclear ?
out of my 2,I believe so
RC Tectonic plates seismic activity was experimental?
Yes I didn't have that and I had one RC
1233 - yes
Anon 844 my section five had the nuclear too-- I'm trying to figure out if my first section or third section was the experimental LR
I think my first section had 26 questions
Ugh I would've traded any RC passage for the psychologist one
My 1 or third section was experimental!
The first LR had 26, Second LR Had 26 and third had 25
I think the 26 question was real
This test was great!
Chimps question was which LR?
That one was in the first one
The games one i did really well on
its confirmed there was a 26 and 25 LR, so one of the 26 has to be exp
The first set of questions
@anon908 are you sure chimps was in the 1st set?
Overall test seemed in line/easier than the last ten PTs.
I thought it was in the 2nd or 3rd LR
I think I had chimps in my 2nd or 3rd set.
Who thought this test was great?
Who had RC/LR/RC/LR/LG?
i was thinking it was in the 2nd for me
Yeah one of those
I had that combo!
Did you have one passage about hominids?
I didnt. I had LR RC LR LG LR
(That was the expiremental)
i had LR RC LR LG LR as well
But i dunno which was exp in my set
Yes, I did. Th I second set of passages.
I had the hominids passage, but it was placed on the second set of reading comp passages! You
i had LR RC LR LG LR
Was the psychology one (real) the first or third section?
Fml- I had that order and for me the second RC was experimental
Pysch was real
I think they psychology one was real!
Psychology was section 1 and real
For everyone who had the three logical reasoning sections, did one section seem particularly harder?
The first one killed me
firsr one for me but idk if that was just my nerves lol
@Longest3WeeksEver: "side note - this site is amazing, lol." <-- Thanks! I'm glad you like it! I'm enjoying this chat feature. I'm going to have to try and introduce more interactivity to the site, because this is nice.
Fmmmmmlllll I was hoping it was the first cause I did so bad right when I sat down
For me the first was really bad
Yea me too
FML, me too!
Missed like five questions
I couldn't finish in time
The second set of rc were great.
I dont want to retake this exam
Me either 1245.
I don't either
rich in content.
I feel like kaplan didnt do s**t
Josh - I think a lot of people get some extra sleep knowing
How do you think you did?
I definitely don't want to take it again either
It seems we had the same exam.
I feel like i got in the high 140s
The LG section was easy!
I didn't study at all. It was my first time and I wanted to see what it was as like. Probably screwed myself
My last exam wAs 145 and i tested around 157 to 150
Thank God I only had one LG section.
During my pts but my first lsat exam was 145
I think I know which one of mine was not real if the Pluto one wasn't real???
this was my first; my last pts were 160/157
My school needs like a 151
josh- do you think law school will think of an applicant negatively if they've taken the lsat more than once? Most take top score but then can see all yours scores technically, correct?
They dont really care
@Anonymous844: Yes, they can see all of your scores. But they only really care about your best score.
/?was the nuclear plan in the 25 or 26 LR section? I am drawing a blank
My first choice I need a 161 :/
That just came out today
so many spelling/grammar errors in that ? Sorry lol but thank you!
Who had rc/lr/rc/lr/lg?
applicants with 165+ LSAT scores are becoming more and more rare... and law schools want to keep their LSAT stats up
so is a 165 not possible?
I was testing at 160-163....
so, since they only report your best score.. they really only care about that score.
Time constraints are crazy!
Would any of you take the LSAT more than 3 times?
well, it isn't that fewer people are getting 165+ on the exam
I dont want to get into law school next year when im 25 :/
but fewer of those people are choosing to go to law school, for one reason or another
those that have a 165+?
I heard Harvard Law will take the GRE now.
GRE or LSAT?! Hmmmm...
Also, LSAC came out with a statement...
No more constraints
on the amount of times you take the LSAT
You can take the LSAT as many times as you want now
and they are also moving from 4 tests per year to 6 tests per year
I spoke to a LSAC rep about it...
Were you aware of this new update?
don't feel bad, I'm 36 lololol
Maybe its not so bad then
Tasha, you are still very young. God will allow you to go to law school when the time is right. Besides, you really want to achieve your highest score.
i would probably take it more than 3 times if I don't get where I want to be on my first 3. I am so bad at timed tests under pressure so even though I was finishing all questions and scoring 160+ on PTs, I didn't finish any of the section completely on the actual LSAT today
I'm curious if the people who would score 165+ really aren't taking it/applying to law school or if the tests are just actually getting that much more difficult?
You want to show law schools that you are a competitive applicant, and that your talents, abilities, and capabilities have been truly measured through this exam.
Well, not truly measured.
But, with a score that you are content with, and that will allow you to be admitted to your dream/top law school, that will be sufficient.
How are the seminars on this website do they help alot
I rather achieve the highest score possible, and sacrifice time, instead of applying with a low score, and getting into any law school.
Did anyone use Kaplan to study?
I had an experimental LR section, and the first LR killed me. It had 25 questions, but people are saying that the LR experimental had 26 for sure. Is that true?
No, I didn't.
I used the LSAT Trainer by Mike Kim.
@Longest3WeeksEver: Your LSAT score is scaled to the test, so approximately 91.5% of test takers will get a 165+ on any given test.
Basically, I prepared my own self study material using these these two LSAT prep books/videos.
I used LSAT trainer and I loved it! Was using power score before but switched completely once I started reading his book. Maybe I should had studied both :/
LSAT Trainer is great.
Also, I bought the LSAC prep test books.
It is great. He explains everything so clearly.
I also purchased the previous administered LSAT exams from December 2014-December 2016. (I used these as my test day simulations).
Yes he does!
Thanks guys, I'm looking for other options for the test in September
He also has a website.
LSAT Trainer by Mike Kim (purchase online).
Oh dang, I should have looked into that...
LSAC preptest textbooks.
http://lawschooli.com/lsat-prep-books-self-study/ <-- That article talks about what books I used
Anonymous 844-TRUST ME, you will be fine with both of these prep materials.
They provide information, instructional, and exceptional ways of conquering the LSAT.
Does anyone believe this test was hard?
Besides the time constraints...
I've taken the LSAT once before, and it was pretty hard.
I think this one was fair.
It would've been excellent if I studied more under time constraints.
Same. That one LR section was killer but everything else was okay. I'm terrible at reading comp though so I thought that was hard as well
I didnt like it
I'm also bad at reading comp.
It's not that were bad, its that the content is boring, dry, and draining to read.
I just didnt feel confident. I wish there was a prep course that helps with test anxiety and lsat
I just can't read it fast enough there's always one passage I have to guess on.
Same, NYU! I thought LGs were abnormally easy but getting stuck on a few ?s means I didn't get a chance at "solving" all ?s. Same for the RC sec
Yes, 844! I think we were going through the same emotions.
For reading comp, they always try to make the questions very complex.
They passages are just dry, and uninteresting.
My proctors were incompetent. First section we were given 30 minutes then when we were about to start section 2 one proctor looked over to the other one and said, "Oh, was I supposed to give them 35 minutes for section 1?"
Can anyone with only 2 LR confirm if they remember an LR flaw question reguarding "politiicians and whether a proposal inhibiting investing should be considered"
def need to practice more times PTs and make sure I understand I'll be under more pressure on test day.
Also, they try to add a lot of information that will misguide the reader.
Congrats to everyone who took the LSAT today !! Best wishes to all & I hope everyone killed it !! Taking mine for the first time in September & im already terrified for it !!
i agree! The RCs were harder than I expected tbh. Caught me off guard quite a bit.
Yes, me too 844!
@Anonymous1233: Wow. that's awful. did they give you the 5 minutes back?
The LR sections were great.
Also, the LG was perfect!
What do you think 844?
I got stuck on the first game, but finished the remaining three successfully.
Josh - Yes, but after I had already spent the last few minutes freaking out and not reading the RC passage well
Anonymous 1233, that happened to me as well.
i thought LG was much easier than expected and, for the most part the LRs also. But like I have mentioned, I didn't finish some ?s in all questions due to running out of time :/
1341 I had that politicians question!
*in all sections, not questions
Yes, 844! I went through the same as well.
662 did you only have 2 LR's?
I think we have to work harder with our time.
Agree! I wish you good luck if you take it again!
Being timed is no fun, but it's part of the experience.
You too, 844! All the best to you.
Do you think that you will be taking it again?
This was my second time.
Oh, I had 3 LRs.
I took two tests and freaked out in one of them
1341 I hat that question
This is my third try at the lsat
I'm taking it again for sure. Gotta work on my time!
Tasha, what were your scores?
The first two times?
If I may ask.
1281 did you only have 2 LR's
I got a 146 the first time.
I had 2 LGs and I think I remember something about mayors taking bribes but not politicians being investigated
My score was 145 at the lAst one but didnt study much
I believe so. Since I know how many ?s I didn't get a chance at in each section, it gives me somewhat of an estimate of where I think my score will be (even tho I could have potentially guessed correctly). But I know I can do better if I practice more. I took 3 timed PTs and didn't finish the first 2 completely but finished the last one with a 162. So I know I can do it if I keep at it!
Wow, not bad. I believe that with study, you can increase it by at least 10 points.
I studied more this time but I think i only went up about three points
Where you planning to go to law school?
I feel like i need a tutor or something
You should see if taking the LSAT a fourth time would be convenient.
Please take into account if you will increase your score substantially.
I want to apply to cuny school of law only lol
Once again, lawschooli LSAT prep is great!
I think they have a median of a 152 or so...
1281 did you only have 2 LR's?
ive seen ppl with a 146 get in
My heart is set on NYU...
Hopefully i get in.. the only place i can afford lol
All the best to you, Tasha!
I have a GPA of 3.82 from Cornell, but my latest LSAT of 146 won't do anything.
Tho im applied late if i cant get in il just like get a tutor probably...
For the LSAT?
Look into Lawschooli!
They have great study schedules.
I have like a 3.62 gpa
You can also create your own, and manage it according to your time, and disposability.
Wat is your pt score?
I feel like I could use a study buddy too!
My order was: RC, LR, LG, LR, LG :-/
I feel like I need someone to help motiviate me to study harder
* I meant, according to your time and schedule.
My practice score was a 158-160.
This past Saturday I scored a 165 on the September 2016 exam.
Although, I didn't time myself.
I only did 4 section pts
I think i made a mistake doing that
On Sunday, I took the December 2016 LSAT exam, and scored a 159.
Under time conditions.
Whats the best way to pt?
Tasha are you in the New York area>
Look into LSAT Focus Approach program.
Josh Cravens, do 91.5% of people actually get above a 165 on any given test or was that a typo
Peter Germanely teaches it.
I live in queens
He teaches the course in Pace Law,
and Albany Law
I think Touro or Pace would be great for you!
He is great!!!!
Oh pace thats like in white plains lol
He teaches the LSAT by learning IRAC. ISSUE, RULE, ANALYSIS, and CONCLUSION.
Yes, white plains!
Does he have online classes?
that means 91.5 is the top, so people getting a 165 perform better than 91.5% of people
Im in queens
All the best you you!
like a 161 is the 83% so they do better than 83% and 17% perform better than they do.
I have a question for everyone.
For those scoring 165+, how do they do it under time conditions?
You just need to have excellent funimentals
So 8.5% of people should get on any given test a 165 +
By this, I mean you need to know how to properly execute each question type quickly.
Excellent. Well, I have tried to learn how to read, reason, and have a strong sense of mental discipline.
Is that enough
I did very on LG, thank God!
and Logical reasoning!
Can you write out how to do each question type without thinking about it.... so for example tell me right now how to solve a Necessary Assumption Question. By this I mean what is the process.
When you know each question type and can exture upon them it cuts down on time because trail answered do not look as attractive thus saviung time
165+ students can do that easily without much processing for all questions types.
First, for a Necessary assumption question you must note that the answer choice must be true, because the conclusion is true.
That is my quickest way of tackling these questions.
Make sure to look at key words. Such as required, dependes, necessary...
Do you do the negation test to confirm your answer choice?
@Anonymous1341: well said
That is how I confirm my answer.
The negation test will allow you to destroy the argument
Hey Josh! Fun Tool!
well, the conclusion!
@Joshua Craven & Evan Jones: is that you Steph?
Is that question for me?
My name is Frank.
Sorry let me remove typos;
@Anonymous1341: no worries, I understand what you mean. Very true
@Aspiring NYU Law Student: hi frank
Hello, Mr. Craven!
Did I do a great job by describing a Necessary Assumption!
I can answer these in less than a minute.
Due to that skill.
What I meant to say was: When you know each question type and can execute upon them it cuts down on time because trap answers do not look as attractive thus saving time.
That is correct, 1341.
I made it to question 22 before they called out the five minute warning. This was the case for both of my logical reasoning portions.
Josh/Evan Would you be able to ask around and confirm if anyone with only 2 LR's can remember a LR flaw question reguarding "politiicians and whether a proposal inhibiting investing should be considered"
Not sure if you have a page to post potential LR question subject matter awaiting confirmation
I had that question appear.
Did you only have 2 LR's?
Yes, I did!
2 RC, 2 LR, and 1 LG.
Great well Josh/Evan if a few other can confirm that question we may be able to add it to your list below.
Yes, it was a flaw question.
If you only had 2 LRs then you had the real LRs
That is correct Josh.
It was not experimental.
Our RC was.
Mr. Craven, did I do well on my explanation?
Please do not discuss specific question types We need to be careful what is shared.
Yes, just want to make sure, you can do that in a few seconds to improve into the 165s and above
Yeah I had 3 and was asking to see if that was part of the real LR. Thank you! Also duly noted mums the word.
That is fine!
Thank you, Mr. Craven!
If I want to take my second lsat in December to give myself some more study time do you think I'll be good for getting into school fall 2018 ?
Does anyone who had two logical reasoning questions remember if they had a question about a mayor and contractor and bribes?
802 you will see the question you are asking about has already been confirmed as real below
802 what section was that on for you?
I don't see the mayor question below 1341
I think it was in my first section
I had 2 LRs and that was one of the questions!
802, you will be more than fine.
I know some people that have taken the February LSAT, and still get in that same year.
Awesome I'm trying to get into Rutgers Newark literally not shooting for the starts but I am really don't know exactly how much I need to get on my lsat I've read like 155-158 will do it.. was PTing 159/160s but this is my first lsat and I feel like I bombed :/
For example, my friend had a 3.7 from Yale, and took the LSAT twice in June 2015 and February 2016, She scored a 154 and increased it to a 159 by February.
She got into Georgetown Law.
Rutgers is great!
Jesus thanks to her GPA and prior school I'm sure lol that's great tho
In the top 100!
Yes, I think that helped.
I went to a SUNY School here in New York.
Then transferred to Cornell.
I'm just worried about the experimental. I forgot the questions already lol I had 3 LRs
I've kept my GPA high, but praying to God that this LSAT score will be enough to get me in Cornell or NYU
Why are you worried about the experimental?
Yeah my GPA isn't that good, 3.1 :/
It's not scored.
1203, where do you want to go to law school?
Just worried about which one it was, I want to make sure bombed the right one lol and Rutgers Newark
Have you looked into NY Law schools.
Syracuse, Albany, or even in the city.
NY law school maybe
3.1 isn't that bad.
At least you crossed over the 3.0 scale. Others below, have to work hard on the LSAT to make up for that GPA.
NYLS in New York is great.
Might be ideal. I live in fort lee right over the GWB
Can I ask everyone a question?
I'm not sure if this happens to me only, but has anyone noticed that once the test begins, or mind tends to tense up, therefore, diminishing the capacity to fully comprehend what the text is saying. For example, this happened to me in the RC passage, but I directed my focus to the LSAT, and concentrated on the rest of the exam.
Absolutely was my problem today
I was very excited to commence the exam, but as soon as I saw the RC, my mind began to tense up, and I couldn't focus or understand the passage. Later, I was have a difficulty grasping the main points, and authors viewpoint/argument.
Also, time constraints don't help.
I felt pressured to read quicker, but I still wasn't grasping anything.
I think I have to work on time constraints, and anxiety.
Although, I hope this is the last time I have to take this exam.
Also, when this type of experience occurs, I tend to want to read the passage again to comprehend it. Not realizing that time is being wasted by doing that.
I'm exactly the same
Then, the proctor calls out the infamous 5 minute warning, and I felt that I still didn't get anything accomplished.
I'm going to take a month off of studying, pick it up in July or early august and study until the December exam anyone live in the NJ NY metro area and want to hang and study this summer ?
Gre is much easier! All law schools should accept it
save us a lot of stress and money
gre books you can borrow from Libs anywhere
What does the GRE entail?
I live in upstate NY 1203.
I think if we start in July we will be in good shape for the December exam.
Things you should of learned through high school and early college
5 month preparation.
You really just need to refresh yourself
Yeah I definitely need a breather lol
Harvard Law is now accepting GRE.
Plus it's offered everyday and you get your score instantly
Me too, 1203.
And Stanford and Arizona
Wow LSAC is outdated eh?
Are there restrictions on the amount of times you can take the exam?
Stanford as well?
When do you think someone should start studying again for the September exam
It gives you a good three months.
i was going to take a two week break
I think they are but it's pretty generous
I started studying for June in march
They offer it three different times a day 6 days a week
May I give you an advice>?
How many questions can you get wrong you think for this June test to get a 160
If you start now, you will only have to focus on the areas where you are weak. For example, work on strengthening your skills on the LG section. Also, TIME YOURSELF!
This is vital.
If you wait, then you have to refresh yourself on the whole material.
@aspring NYU do you remember the newspaper/reveal the truth question in LR
Yes i agree! Thank you for that. I just wanted to take a short break so I wouldnt burn out
You should take a short break, but I wouldn't recommend 2 weeks.
I would do 1 week, and get back to studying.
Then when September gets closer, you can losen up a bit, but focus only on taking time pt's.
Remember, under timed conditions
this is essential for LSAT success.
what did everyone think of LG??? hard or easy?? I thought challenging.....
I always time myself as well the 7Sage proctor.
Good to know. I had 3 LR and believe that question may have been on the experimental given the other questions listed as real
I had 2, they were easy!
so it may be listed as real erroneously
@aspiring NYU Law student do you like/are you good at LG's usually?
I would like to share a secret with you all!
I have actually mastered the LG these past three months!
There was a sense of discovery.
please share I suck at LGs
I am actually very good at them now!
I actually LOVE them1
I love them!
You're the Head of LSAC and are giving us a retake with a time extension!
Is this true?
1536, you must read the LG section clearly.
It is essential that you notate the constraints CORRECTLY.
Then, you must make your inferences and deductions.
That is it.
Move on to the questions.
LOL i understand the steps I just am not fast enough at deductions
Also, if you can make various diagrams from the constraints given, do so. For example, if a questions states that you have six slots, and G can go in either 1 or 7, then make two diagrams.
G can be in either 1 or 7.
Usually for must be trues I make a couple of different disagrees especially if I can split up the board and look for constants and try to move those around
For that same scenario, if M is before T, we know that M can't bet 6th
Anonymous1203 16 min. ago Im in nyc area
and T can't be first.
Does that make sense?
these are the deductions you have to make
i wouldn't mind studying this summer
For some constraints this won't be the case
i would love to have a study group
I definitely wanna put something together
yea thats a great idea!
Are my tips assisting anyone?
if they want to start a study group
That is how to master the LG. Also, be careful with the language used!
How many right would I need for 160 for today's test ?
I do not like to in/out games because they can get tricky, but you have to be very careful with language.
I can tell you..
I think around 78-80...
a total raw score of 80
I wish you all the best 1529!
You can do it!
Is there something like reductions impact that score
If you answered 20 right on each of the four scored sections, you will be in good shape.
Thank you aspiring
What do you mean by reductions?
You're welcome, 1529!
Okay thank you!
Well based on how everyone else did
Doesn't the score vary depending on that?
Well, if you guess that won't hinder your score, but may increase your chances of getting some right. If you leave any answer choice wrong then you are throwing free points away (of course, by guessing on them).
For the LSAT, you have a raw score and a percentage compared to everyone else.
Fossil fuel/ emissions reductions influenced by individuals vs govts was in the real section wasn't it?
For example, if you get 45-40 right, I think its a 140. Which is the 14th percentile.
What do schools like at?
I meant 35-40 right.
Schools look at it all.
For example, your LSAT score will determine your percentile rank.
If you score a 140 you are at the bottom 14th percentile.
or 12th percentile, I think.
Does this make sense>
Does this make sense?
Yes it does!
Does anyone else have any questions?
Are you just assuming that you need around 80 correct to get a 160? Bc most test have been around 75 questionsncorrect to get a 161
I didn't have my sheet in front of me.
I was guessing.
I think 80 right would be a 164.
80 right is 163 164 ish
Also, in the 89th percentile.
I think that were are all capable of 165+!
Let's go for it guys!
@Anonymous1203: Thank you!
Where does everyone live?
We can meet up?
Also, lawschooli has a great program.
We can use this program to prep.
Also, other successful programs as wel.
One more question taking the lsat 3 times looks bad ? Or Is that a myth I heard you have to write a letter explaining yourself as to why you took it 3 times
@Anonymous1203: Excellent question. Let me explain.
Now that you have your sheet
yea if everyone could meet up that would be great
What would 160 be?
i have lsat mastermind
@Anonymous1203: It all depends where you want to go to law school. I know that various T14 law schools like to see only 1 LSAT scores, but other's are very welcoming of various LSAT scores. For examples, I know about 10 law students that applied to the lower T14, and they all had at least 2 LSAT scores.
They were still accepted.
Law school usually takes the higher score.
Each law school is different though.
anyone that had trouble with LG, try out Nathan Fox's LG book! I have mastered LGs because of that book.
I have a friend that went from a 145 to a 167, and she definitely wrote an LSAT addendum explaining the score differences.
definitely got a 170 and above
@Anonymous1203: Some schools don't care, and just take the higher LSAT score.
Will they ask for it post application?
hey was the third section the experimental?
As I stated, each school evaluates multiple LSAT scores differently.
Ok thanks anyls
The LSAT addendum is up to you.
You have to make that determination if you want to submit one.
If the law school you are considering for admission is most likely to question your LSAT scores, then you should submit one.
1617 everyone is different
You should also call the Admission's office.
They will give you a better response for what they are looking for.
@Anonymous1570: Is everyone in New York?
Anyone take their exam in Albany, or St. Johns?
After a long day, I think it's time to rest. I will be on tomorrow if anyone has any questions. Thank you all for you time. Thank you, LawSchooli for this LSAT chat forum!
God bless everyone. All the best to you all!
I was at a 168 raw score and used LawSchooli's guide and was scoring between 174-177 on practice tests by the end. I felt super prepared and today went a lot better than expected. I prepared so much that I was ready for any question. I think I did around 30 full practice tests. I had time left in every section. I started filling in my answer sheet when they called 5 minutes. Highly recommend
LawSchooli for those retaking the exam. Also I liked power score better than the lsat trainer. I think reading the prompt first wastes time because I end up reading it a second time. But I preferred some of their symbols for LG so not a total loss. Power score LG is more comprehensive. Also I was struggling with RC so I used the power score book and improved that section dramatically.
Do you recommend pting with five sections?
To mimic test day?
I did 8 of the tests as 5 sections so I didn't waste too many tests (only 2) as 5th sections. And I did those tests this past week so I saved them for right before the LSAT
I think it helped. But if yoU have the stamina for 4 sections with extra time you will have the energy and brain power for a 5th so it depends on how much time you have and how many tests you have
To study from. Everyone is different. I am an extremely quick reader. But even I needed to work on reading faster so the more tests I did the better I got. If I had time I would have done even more exams
How to get over test anxiety? I have a problem with it
I could spend a lot of time reading the rest of this board, or ask to see if anyone can reply immediately. For those that had two RC sections, can you recall something about the experimental RC? I can't remember which one of my sections had the jazz, psychologists one that we agreed is the real one, and I know I did well on one, but not the other.
^^^^ I've been reading, and can't find exactly what I'm looking for. For those that had 2 RC, can you remember something other than earthquakes in the experimental section?
Does anyone know if the microbeads from facial cleansers was real for LR?
I only had 2 LR, and that doesn't ring a bell
Hmm ok thanks!
Did you have 2 RC? I'm trying to distinguish which was what the experimental had because I can't remember which was which
Also @Joshua Craven & Evan Jones: I remember some LR about people seeing themselves running on treadmills, bird's calls in a urban/loud area (I think this was one of the 26 question ones)
No I only had one RC!! But scroll down below this chat and Josh put up lists of all we've talked about!
@Joshua Craven: also- something about mosquitos in the dark (or something about your arm?), free speech, older generations voting trends (+ years out of school?)
Thanks!! @1778, I just guess no one with 2 RC has said others about the the experimental
Also, @josh craven, the CEO writer of manual was real
yeah! @1846 sorry I can't help more!
Wait, was the CEO manual in the section with 25 questions?
@1778, it's okay!! But hmm I can't say for sure, but that sounds right because my 26 LR was first and I'm pretty sure the CEO was my 2nd LR
1846--- same. Another passage in expiremental was about hominids. It was section 3.
It was about how early hominids evolved and how they sat up straight or something
There was something about north American cave paintings of a supernova or something like that by an indigenous peoples. I can't remember the specifics in the experimental RC
And one about trademark v copywright
Good morning everyone! Now that the June 2017 LSAT administration is officially over, we can all take a breather.
Wishing you all the best!
I also studied intensely for the LSAT. Overall, I completed around 25 exams.
I took this as my full and part-time job. I studied around 12-14 hours daily.
Monday through Saturday.
I would take Sunday's off to relax and take everything in.
@Anonymous1745: Congratulations! I am very happy that you feel very confident on your performance today. I think it is superb that you have disciplined yourself so well that you had time remaining for each section. How did you overcome the reading comp section? I took the LSAT once, and I thought reading comp was my strongest section, but now it's the section that I have most trouble worth.
My strategy was the following: If I have any issues with reading comp, I will strive for excellency on both of my LR and LG. I was very happy that I had RC first, because it allowed me to recover on the rest of the sections. Also, the extra RC passage wasn't bad because I knew that either set of passages would be the experimental one. I had to 2 LR sections, and 1 LG games section.
Do any of the active users have any questions or input on yesterday's exam?
Do any of the active users have any questions or input regarding yesterday's exam?
I had two LG sections so I can confirm the CEO manual question was real
Does anyone remember a LR question about Pluto as a dwarf planet?
Thank you @59 & @86!
@2122, I only had 2 LR, and I don't recall that one @2122!
I felt this exam was partly difficult for people (such as myself) that was a difficult time grasping scientific theories. I swear I spent more time trying to remember what a quark was then the actual logic in the argument
Which one of the 3 LR parts was experimental. 1? 3? or the 5?
LG & RC was real in which LR was placed in the 1, 3, & 5th spot.
Pretty sure it was the first section of those 1 3 and 5s
Correct me if I'm wrong
Noble Peace Prize/Science?
I don't think Nobel prize science was on my first section I had LR RC LR LG LR
I feel like I remember nobel prize sceince being on the third section???
Yea sounds right like the 3rd section because a friend of mine asked me about that question on break
Idk why he would ask me about a ? from section 1 lol
It was all a blur
I see that "concerts" was one of the real LGs. I'm not remembering that one at all. Does anyone remember the basic setup of that game? Or any other info about it?
I feel like I remember nobel prize sceince being on the third section???
Does anyone who had 3 LR's remember which section pluto as a dwarf planet was on?
concerts was one of the basic linear games I believe (second or third game)
Sounds like the 3rd section 2236 I could be wrong
What was the order of RC? Jazz, psychology, dowsing, passage A passage B comparative?
Especially with 3 LRs the blur is real
Another LG was grooming and training !
Jazz dowsing psychology comparative I think
Yes, grooming and training for pets was another experimental LG. 3rd game right before breweries
There was a question in games that involved circular seating, was this an experimental game section?
there was an experimental RC about tipping!
Was the chimps aggression/threat gestures thing a real LR q?
I also had a LR question regarding Pluto, pretty sure it was experimental
@2489 I'm pretty sure the chimp was real. Check out the chart underneath the chat
Anyone know if the caterpillar mimic snake/eye spots was experimental?
We find out Scores on July 6? Via mail, email, or on lsac's website?
@2580 Not sure if it was experimental or not. I also had that question. If it was in the section with the Pluto question then I think it was experimental?
circular game -- experimental. Caterpillar ques. experimental
what do you think I need to get for a 160 for yesterdays test
How many right?
Not sure if this helps, but my test order was LR, RC, LR, LG, and LR. I thought RC was hardest and LG easiest. I am pretty sure the 2nd LR section was the only one with 26 questions.
What would 65 right be?
155-156ish I would assume.
@Anonymous2584: Which RC was real?
Nevermind. Scrolled down and now see the chart lol
If you copy and paste that link it has all the curves for each year
I was so relieved to know that the circular game was experimental. I only work on that game for 35 mns and I am sure that I did not get any question right. I was so ready to walk out the door
Hope that they are not bringing that one back in September!!
What section was the LR about existing apartment rents rose instead of decreased like they should
Remember... it isn't always possible to identify the experimental section by the order of the sections. For example, there could be two different test forms with LR sections 1 3 and 5, with one test form placing the experimental section first and the other placing the experimental section last. The only way to be sure is by identifying real LR questions and remembering which section they were on.
also, remember that 26 questions were on 1 LR section and 25 questions were on the other. So if you had two 25-question LR sections, you know one of those 2 is experimental.
The LR section with the "rent rising" question was reall. I only had two LR sections and it was on one of them.
Does anyone who had LR as an experimental remember a question that was on the experimental section ?? I forgot literally all the questions and how many were in each section
@Anonymous2696: if you scroll back up through the chat i think you'll be able to see some experimental question topics discussed. Remember, though, there were probably several different experimental LR sections that were tested.
I found it interesting that both the real and the experimental lg sections had two substitution rule questions
Anonymous 2584, they will send you and email likely on the 4th or 5th with an unofficial score and it will be available on lsat.org officially ok the 6th (if that's the official reporting date.)
I would imagine them releasing scores prior to July 4th holiday
Does anyone remember a question about bird calls and pitch on their LR?
Yes- loud bird calls and avoiding predators (resolve the paradox q i believe?) I only had two LR sections (my experimental was LG) so that was real
Has anybody just not finish a section because of running out of time? I had extra time and my time ran out on me as I was going to do my last set of diagrams for LG
Thanks 2824! That one gave me trouble for some reason and that was my opening question
confirming comments from earlier posters: I had two LR sections and also remember a question about 1. people watching themselves running on treadmill, 2. older generations voting trends, and 3. nobel prizes.
I saw those questions 2824, but I was unlucky to get an experimental LR section
Man, I loved the LG. But the RC....man
Those were tricky, but not awful!
The RC wasn't bad except for the density of the psych passage. I felt like the others really weren't too bad if you could get away from the psych one with enough time
The RC. I didn't get to finish my last set of diagrams for LG
The psych passage was difficult!
Really? What a bummer!
Definitely a bummer, but it was more of a bummer to get LR as experimental section!
I finished the games in 25 minutes and used the remaining 10 minutes to confirm my answers. But the RC killed me. I only read three of the four
You're lucky you can go that fast, I can't go that far with LG
Yeah, games are my strongest. It goes games, then LR, then RC
For me, it's LG/RC > LG/RC > LR
Which experimental you get?
I got RC, LR, RC, LR and final Games
I got LR RC LR LG LR
Is it just me?? But I can't remember hardly any Lr questions from yesterday!!!
me too, having THREE lr sections completely drained me
Guys what are you thinking the curve will be?
so the yesterday was my first LSAT and although I feel I did well, I know I can do ALOT better. Should I do the september or december test?
why not anon 2951?
I'm thinking of retaking it in September or December, but I want to wait to see my score first before making a final decision. Today was my first time taking the LSAT
@Anonymous2951: If you need to retake, I'd definitely go for September. 13 weeks until September test gives you plenty of time to study and improve. Take a look at our 12 week study schedule, which would give you a great foundation for your prep: https://lawschooli.com/shop/lsat-study-schedules/12-week/
@Anonymous2969: Good plan. If your score doesn't end up where it needs to be, thats okay... you'll still have plenty of time to study for September and still get your applications in early in the cycle with a September score. Hopefully you did great and you dont have to worry about it, but if you can improve theres no reason not to give it another shot!
Thanks Josh, should I wait until I get my score in July before I make a final decision? I scored a 145 on my last practice test before taking the LSAT today and I'm hoping for a 150
What will the curve be like Joshua?
to get a 160?
@Anonymous2994: Realistically, if you were prepping in the 145 range just prior to the test, it isn't all that likely that you hit 150 on test day unless something went really wrong on that 145 test that would lead you to believe it was an anomaly.
@Anonymous2994: A 150 is certainly within your reach, so if you're feeling motivated I say start studying now!
@Anonymous2994: In my opinion, I'd rather waste 3 weeks prepping and then find out I hit my target score.... rather than waste 3 weeks doing nothing and then realize I need to retake.
Joshua Craven what will the curve be for me to get about 160 you think?
or anyone for that matter?
Is there really a curve that is applied to the LSAT?
No there is not
But that's the best way I can explain it
It's more like a point adjustment based on how others did if i'm not mistaking
So I just say curve because people understand that better
even though it's not really
Thanks. I didn't really find anything related to point adjustment before I took the LSAT yesterday. It was my first try, took me nearly a day to recover from that
Yeah same here lol
I hope someone can ansher my question
Maybe I am better off at 7sage disccusin board
If you were scoring 145s you're not going to make it to 160 even with the curve it probably will be only 2 points if that
I'm not planning to make it to 160, only 150
3442 I'm the one who asked about the curve
you mixed me up with 3432
and sometimes it's more than 2 points
what section did people think was the experimental on the LR sections????
I remember one about attention and one sided phone convos
I had the LR experimental section and I couldn't tell which one it was
@Josh Craven- The recent PT's RC sections have been my hardest section and this LSAT really threw me for a loop on the RC. I usually ace LGs and don't do worse than -5/-6 on each LR section. I've been scoring an average of a 165/166 on PTs, but this RC section on the LSAT is making me nervous. I'm thinking of doing the September LSAT- any suggestions on how to get the RC score up?
Anyone have a copy of the 12 week schedule?
Pretty sure the average "curve" for a 101 question test is -12
No idea whether June was average or not though
LG had 23 questions/4 games, RC had 26 or 27 questions
How much of an improvement can a person see if they are scoring low on prep tests..given the fact i am guessing in LG. I am taking the test in Sept. So i still have time to improve with Kaplan, i will repeat the course for prepping.
LG is the most improvable section so depending on how you're currently approaching that section I'd say you have lots to improve upon
God bless, 4146!
Your statement on LG is so true!
I am a testament of that statement. For example, before properly preparing for the exam, I would score 5/23 on the LG section. After 3 months of intense study, and full devotion, I was scoring 21/23. God is great!
Hey guys. LG with travelers to 4 cities, F couldn't be with H and G couldn't go to S? Trying to redo the game. C how I did.
"I" exactly twice, F and H NOT together, and G not in the middle (S)??? Tyty. These aren't answers just the question itself.
anyone remember? ^^^^
Anyone remember the last logic game with the cities?
It was three cities, not four
The game featured four travelers to three cities, exactly two travelers per city. "I" exactly twice, G not in the middle city, F and H can't visit the same city
Also, every traveler must go to at least one city
Missed the score cancellation. Retaking in June. Still unsure what I got for RC. They should just release the answer key now since it will be released anyways
Barely had sleep for the last week. Constantly still wasting hours each day trying to figure out my score.
*Retaking in Setepmber
I was averaging 163 for almost the entire May. Then for my last three Prep Tests I got 167,169,169. However, on the real LSAT I feel that I may have gotten below 160. Is it normal for such huge jumps in score? It all rides on RC, andLR
in logic games , the last game, question number 20....was that question a "could be true" question? I think it was the one where once answer choice was H goes to all cities?
Hey 4515, dont stress until you get the results back...you never know how you did.. you could have done your best or your worst but more than likely you did near your average. good luck
Guys the last logic game (M S and T) I had
I rushed n guessed D on the last 3 questions of the last logic game. Was any of the last three "D"? Thanks
Does anyone know how bad it is to have a low score on your record like in the low 160s or high 150s and then improve by 10points? I think my June test was one of those one-off diasters
Many of the law schools seem to say they consider all your score andaverage them
It's your highest they count. Not the average...
Did u guys have D as an answer in any of the last 3 questions of the logic games section?
Does anyone remember a LR question about nurses or doctors or something?
Anon 3467, I definitely remember the Q about attention and one sided phone convos (I had 3 LRs)
Anon 4919, I picked D on the last 3 real LG questions. I ran out of time and guessed D. Did you work out these questions and get D on all 3?
For the last game don't remember the last 3 but they were defitnley not all the same letter. I did the game in reverse from last to first questions and guessed "B" for the second and third (or fourht) question for the game. Hoping for some Bs
Anon4864 (or anyone else) does that mean getting a low LSAT score doesn't matter if you do well the next time even for top law schools? they all claim to average on their websites
Does anyone remember having a LR section with a really sketchy looking bubble pattern? I had one that was the same letters for about 4/5 answers then another letter for the next 3/4. Was really freaked, but tried to go with gut. I had 3 LR.
That's weird. I know for a fact that 99% of schools pick the highest score. So no one remembers the last 3 answers on the last game? Can anyone confirm if any of the last 3 were D? Tysm
^^ I definitely had the exact same sketchy bubble pattern! I was so nervous, was that experimental?
I'm freaking out
so do we all get our scores at once? is it guaranteed that we'll get them 7/6?
What in the actual fuck with this score release schedule?
Has anyone gotten a score yet? I was hoping they'd be released today.
Nope. I doubt we will hear anything before Wednesday but I wish they would drop scores today.
Yeah, I was hopeful for today, but I figured it would most likely be Wednesday. The waiting is killing me!
I've been checking my email like crazy. The suspense is unreal.
I have a yellow line on my lsac page right underneath the date of the test that says june 12th
I never noticed that before, It just showed up at 8 pm
anyone else have that?
Here's to hoping for scores tomorrow!!
Who else woke up and checked right away as soon they got up only to be met with disappointment they were released yet? Lol
^and about 5 times since....
Anyone get their scores yet?
They usually come out later in the day, like around 4-6.
6853-- they usually come out later in the day, as in today or tomorrow?
My guess is today. They usually come out at least a day early but later in the day
the anticipation is killing me
does anyone have a yellow line underneath the date of th test?
Does that mean anything
on the lsac account page
it says june 12th and underneath that is a yellow line
Will they email us when the scores become available
Do you have a yellow line?
Underneath your june 12th on the lsac page under your account
Or am I the only one
I have one under the administration date, but that's always been there
Do they release the curve with the score
Oh okay, I must of not noticed before
Just wanted to make sure I was not the only one
any scores yet?
Its to early
4-6.30 when you see the grey
and scores can be sent out anytime between then or several hours
You might see grey at 6 but not get your score until midnight
or you might get it right away
what do you mean by grey?
Look at the discussion there are many posts
if i am in central time, will I get my scores c. 4 pm eastern time/ 3pm my time or will it still be at 4pm my/central time?
It goes by eastern time
so you will just have to convert that to your time zone
Have anyone's icons turned from green to grey yet?
Best wishes to everyone. Whether scores come out this afternoon, this evening or tomorrow one thing is for sure. It has been a long three weeks.
Still no grey or scores?
if east coast people don't have grey in 3 minutes does that mean it'll be tomorrow?
^the time isn't "at exactly 3pm" nobody except LSAC knows exactly when they'll be released. We're just saying around 3pm because that's the usual time frame.
No grey yet in virginia
We have grey!
Does grey mean that they're being posted?
grey in kansas!
What does the grey mean
7040 scores will come out
aka it's calcaluting
Any idea how long it takes?
they go out in baches but not sure how the batches are sorted, could be by region or alphabetical
Grey in Texas!!!
Grey in Florida
Has anyone gotten scores since they turned grey yet?
any scores yet??
Scores have arrived in WV
The projected date changed to 7/5/17 on my page
my projected date changed too
7063 can u post curve
ya very curious about the curve
Curve was -9
Is -9 good? Not sure exactly what that means
Please clarify 7103
Checked other forums, it's a 9 point curve
What does a 9 point curve mean
who all has gotten scores
Have not in Wisconsin
You could miss 9 to make a 170
what other forums are there
I just got my score!
Got mine in Florida
Got mine in mn
aare they similar to what you were scoring on practice tests?
did u find out through email? or see it first on the site
Got mine in Missouri.
164 planning to retake
has anyone else not gotten theirs? everyone i know has and i'm starting to worry mine will be delayed...
@Anonymous7174: in pa. Scores yet
@Anonymous7174: no scores yet in pa. Anyom
Anyone know how are scores release state by state?
any predictions on when the next batch will be released?
Still no scores in Wi
no scores in VA
Did D.C. Get their scores?
Don't think they are sent out state by state. I think it's random. But I'm kinda worried that it seems like no one's gotten their results in quite a while. Hope their server didn't crash.
no score for me in FL...although other FL got theirs
Received mine at 8:30 in WI
I got a 142, I was gettng 153-160 on practice
What should I do
It is possible to score at least in the mid 150s for septembers test?
from NY: GPA 3.4 got a 156, Bio Engineering major I thought I would get at least a 160
7328, take it again. It unfortunately happens. I was scoring between 157-160 on PT's the first time and I bombed the actual test and scored a 149. On this June exam, I scored a 159. I know it sucks but you can do it
does anybody think these 80's prep test is different from the 70's?
didn't do too well. was scoring 157-162 on PT's and unfortunately I got a 145 on this June 2017. already been accepted into 3 law schools, but my chance of going to a top 10 is out of the question...
Wtf happened I scored 162s start of May then I scored 168-170 by the end of May and before the exam and got a 163 again on the actual exam. Does anyone know why this may be the case? It was mainly LR that hurt me as I used to get -2 per section before the exam but on the actual one I got -5 perLR section
If it's possible for me to get back to into the high 160s and low 170s by September how much will law schools punish my lower score by
when they claim it's all holistics
Law schools only take your highest score. They don't care how many times you have taken the test. I have taken the test twice. first time was a 150, the second time was 145 (this june 2017 Exam)
I think what the real issue was for me was the time.... because on the prep tests I took my time that's how I was scoring 157-162, but on the actual exam I was under a lot of time stress and just rushing through
7482, have you been accepted into any law schools yet?
The secret on the LG section is just diagram the answer choices. that will always give you the correct answer
how long until i hear back from law schools? i took June LSAT but all my apps have been submitted for months.
it depends. when I applied to the 3 I was accepted into, it was around Sept-Oct 2016
they let me know by April 2017
thank you 7474
If you are an engineer major do they take into account a lower GPA? only have take Lsat once this June and got the 156. will take again in sept
@Anonymous7474: I was scoring around the same and then got a 148 on this test, so I understand! Congrats on your law school acceptances though, I wish you the best!
Hello folks. I've norm bene a lawschooli person for a while but unexpectedly scored a 172 on the June LSAT and have been casting about since I found out fornicate a resource that can help me understand how i should proceed from here. Also kind of a more step by step understanding of how to actually apply for law school at all since I was singlemindedly focused on the LSAT for like 10 fkin months
WOw those are some impressive autocorrects, Good job iPhone
Casting about FOR A RESOURCE not fornicate a resource. I don't absorb information that way usually. Anyway if anyone has a crib sheet for "getting started on your actual law school actual goddamn apps" guide I'd appreciate it
hi guys! i will be taking lsat this sept. I got accepted in 3 schools in Jan but not enough scholarship. Can anyone help with some tips to study while working. I am based in Dubai and there are no great tutors here just money making mongrels.
UPDATE: 06/12/2017 5:50PM CST — WHICH SECTIONS WERE REAL vs. EXPERIMENTAL?
Real LR Sections – (25 Questions & 26 Questions)
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